Has Stu Hackel ever visited the internet?
by Hawerchuk on Feb 8, 2012 5:13 PM EST
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PrintStu weighs in at SI with "Stats the NHL ought to keep."
Let's see if he has any crazy ideas:
1. Man games-lost to injury.
This data is available for every NHL game. For example, last night's NJD-NYR game. You don't even need to be enterprising to collate the data (I remember some guy in England used to do it). I could probably do it tonight in an hour and make it widely-available. Is Stu complaining that the NHL doesn't do that for him? Because as far as I'm concerned, if they record it, it's a "kept" stat.
2. Hit posts.
Stu says these aren't compiled anywhere. Really? I did it last year, right here. Did Stu show up to comment?
3. Improved shooting accuracy.
Stu says shots that missed the net aren't compiled anywhere. I guess here isn't anywhere.
4. Special teams trends.
Stu wants to see 5- and 10-game trends in PP and PK performance. This, I refuse to enable, and the NHL should refuse too. Of course, if Stu knew about a little thing called ESPN, he could see these statistically-meaningless trends any time he wanted. Like here, he could find out that the Leafs haven't given up a PP goal in 2012.
5. Face-off specifics.
Stu wants faceoffs by zone and thinks nobody collects it. Ever look here: 5v5 faceoffs by zone for centers? But what about 5-on-4? Um, here. 4-on-5? Here. I suppose I should add each player's personal faceoff wins too. But the data he wants is basically there.
6. Time of possession.
Fully agreed. The NHL used to collect it, and there's no reason why they should have stopped. However, Vic Ferrari showed that shot differential is a proxy for zone time, so we don't really need it. You can find Fenwick/Shot Differential right here.
7. Attack zone time.
See #6.
8. Six-on-five situations.
I do keep these stats for myself, but they are not really statistically-significant. I fear that if I shared with Stu, he would make gross and incorrect generalizations. (Given what he's written in this piece so far.)
9. Who draws penalties.
Um, yeah, this has been on the internet for *six* years. Right here for 2011-12. Here for 2007-08.
So what do we have overall? Stu wants nine stats recorded. Four of them are already available on behindthenet.ca. A proxy is recorded for two others. Two others are available on ESPN and could be hacked together in a matter of minutes. The last one is of dubious value.
I guess there's only one thing I think Stu Hackel "ought" to do: run a search on the googles for the stats you want and see if they exist.
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Who the heck is Stu Hackel?
A good thing about this post is that now I can point people to it when they ask where these stats are.
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Feb 8, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He has a hall of fame vote and can get into any game for free. Suck it!
by Hawerchuk on Feb 8, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Re #1
OK if I use “‘Some guy in England still doing what he used to do’ – Behind The Net” as a testimonial on my next post?
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by LW3H on Feb 8, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I believe NHL.com also lists missed shots
by truck on Feb 8, 2012 6:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That’s the most ridiculous one; at least you can kind of forgive him for not finding behindthenet but to comment that the NHL should keep track of a stat that’s readily available on their website is absurd.
by The Neutral on Feb 8, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, he doesn’t deserve to have anyone put these stats out there for him to write b.s. narratives.
by Hawerchuk on Feb 8, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah the stupidity of the mainstream media.
Getting lazier and more irrelevant by the minute.
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You apparently aren't interested in commenting on the Colts, but instead just want to take shots at editors for how we manage our blog. Thus, you're now no longer welcome.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 8, 2012 7:21 PM EST reply actions
Regarding #2
2. Hit posts.
Stu says these aren’t compiled anywhere. Really? I did it last year, right here. Did Stu show up to comment?
So, where can I find this year’s stats? I’m curious to know how many posts/crossbars the Devils players have hit so far.
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Posts and crossbars are subject to massive recording bias across rinks. I don’t think there’s anything usable in that data.
I agree that it wouldn’t be good for any kind of long-term serious analysis about team or player performance. But if I want to find out how many times a Devils hit iron, just for informational purposes, where can I go?
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In the play by plays, if a shot hits the post, it will be recorded as such. See here: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/PL020746.HTM
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Feb 8, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Search for “Goalpost”
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by theninjagreg on Feb 8, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Feb 9, 2012 1:35 AM EST reply actions
STUHACKEL8 hours ago
hahaha yourself, Bob L. The joke’s on you.
Did I say these stats weren’t being tracked anywhere in the world? No, I wrote: “There are a few dedicated fans who compile all sorts of exotic stats on their own apart from the ones the league keeps” and then I wrote, “There are some numbers I’d like to see the league track.”
It’s really easy to criticize and brag about how smart one is when they distort what someone else said and then try to knock it down. It’s also really revealing about their ability to comprehend and their character. Like the blogger who wrote the post you linked to, I suggest you learn read a bit more closely.
Really emphasizes the Hack in Hackle
What about missed shots. The one that the league does track.
Odd…
No, you don't understand
He wants everyone else to “read a bit more closely.”
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Feb 9, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I will definitely learn read more closely.
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by Scott Reynolds on Feb 9, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I'm rec'n this as soon as I get near a computer
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by canadian texan on Feb 9, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Irony
In fairness, this would have been a great post if Behind the Net didn’t exist.
In fact, this would have been a great post 5 years ago.
And in fact, it was. People asking for these very same things (among others) prompted Gabe to create Behind the Net in the first place.
So this is a great piece, just five years too late. And you have to admit – being five years behind isn’t that bad for someone in the mainstream media.
Gabe’s just mad because there was someone that didn’t already know about his site. :)
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