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The Fat Trap: Is that really what diets are?

This piece in the New York Times Magazine by Tara Parker-Pope has drawn a lot of interest in the last week. The basic idea is what Pope calls "a sobering reality" - "once we become fat, most of us, despite our best efforts, will probably stay fat." Getting to and maintaining a desired (and reasonably healthy) weight is simply not possible and it's not because of a lack of discipline but because your body burns fewer calories at a given weight if you once weighed more. I don't think we have a good handle on how people who drop from say 300 pounds to 150 do in the long run, but that's an extreme and atypical story - the average American male weighs 17 pounds more than he did in 1960, adjusting for changes in height, so most weight loss regimes are in the 20-30 pound range.

You know we love data at this site, so let's look at Pope's citations:

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#1: University of Melbourne, 2009, which Pope calls "not conclusive":

Subjects: 50 obese men and women. Male average weight = 233 lbs; female average weight = 200 lbs.

Diet: 500-550 calories per day for eight weeks. (Specifically, Optifast shakes and two cups of low-starch vegetables.)

Results: dieters lost an average of 30 pounds during the study. During the next 44 weeks, dieters gained an average of 11 pounds and reported feeling "far more hungry and preoccupied with food" than before they lost the weight.

First things first - if the subjects lost 30 pounds in eight weeks, then their overall metabolic rate (the number of calories needed to sustain their weight) was 2400 calories per day during the study. That's roughly what we'd expect for a group of men weighing 233 and women weighing 200 lbs and quite a bit more than we'd expect from people 30 pounds lighter than that. Simple calories in-calories out seems to work here.

However, these people were actually on a ridiculous extreme starvation diet during the experiment, so we would expect their bodies to adjust to the starvation and force their metabolic rate way down. Except it doesn't seem like that happened during the diet. Maybe it happened after the diet was over and that's what pushed their weight up; we don't know. But I think the key takeaway here is that you can't learn much from such an extreme experiment - if you're a 233-lb guy who wants to drop 50 pounds, nobody would advise you to do something like this.

#2: Canadian researchers Claude Bouchard and Angelo Tremblay in the 1990s:

Subjects: 31 pairs of male twins

Diet: Subjects were fed 700 calories more than their metabolic rate and did not exercise for 120 days

Results: Subjects gained between 10 and 29 pounds (expected: 24 pounds.) Each pair of twins had similar weight gains.

Is this really in dispute? Yes, some people can eat more than others without gaining weight.

#3: Institute of Biomedical and Clinical Science at the University of Exeter:

Subjects: Schoolchildren

Diet: "snacks of orange drinks and muffins and then allowed to graze on a buffet of grapes, celery, potato chips and chocolate buttons"

Results: children with a particular gene ate 100 calories more than students who didn't have the gene.

Unfortunately, 65% of people of European descent have this gene (and always have). I don't know what to make of the suggestion that 2/3 of the population is screwed in some respect.

#4: Rudolph Leibel and Michael Rosenbaum at Columbia University:

Subjects: 130 individuals for six months or longer at a stretch and measure body far percentage and metabolism.

Diet: Liquid diets of 800 calories a day until they lose 10 percent of their body weight. Then another round of intensive testing as they try to maintain the new weight.

Results: "The data generated by these experiments suggest that once a person loses about 10 percent of body weight, he or she is metabolically different than a similar-size person who is naturally the same weight."

Pope claims that people who lose weight are at "a disadvantage of about 250 to 400 calories." She uses the example of a 30-year-old woman who came in to the program at 230 pounds and was eating 3000 calories to maintain that weight. She dropped to 190 pounds and now needs 2300 calories per day. Pope then claims that a typical 30-year-old 190 pound woman can consume 2600 calories a day. I don't know where that number comes from, but you can play around with the metabolic rate calculator and see if you agree. A 30-year-old 6'2 man with a desk job weighing 230 pounds can eat 2600 calories a day; there's no way a woman can do that.

I'm not saying the study is wrong. It's just that Pope's data is all jumbled up; when we're talking about studies with exact numerical outcomes, you can't do that. Plus, and not that we needed this too, we're again talking about a starvation diet, which we already don't think has positive effects on people.

#5: Pope interviews a 66-year-old woman, Janice Bridge, who dropped from 330 to 195 pounds:

Diet and Results: Bridge weighed 300 pounds in 2006; she spent 9 months on an 800-calorie diet and dropped to 165 pounds. That implies a metabolic rate of approximately 2500 calories. If she's 5'4" and burns 500 calories a day exercising (both are suggested later in the interview) then that's exactly the weight loss we'd expect. In other words, she experienced no reduction in metabolic rate even though she ate only one-third of the calories she needed every day.

Here we get more into Pope's psychology. Her interview subject drinks a lot of water, weighs herself every day, exercises a lot (at low intensity), and makes every effort to eat healthy and eat reasonable portions, including at restaurants, and avoid foods that cause her to overeat later. Bridge is serious enough about keeping the weight off that she keeps a detailed food diary and tracks how many calories she burns when exercising. The catch seems to be that Bridge's metabolic rate should be 1800 calories per day and has now apparently (and I say "apparently" because this is self-reported) dropped to 1500 calories.

Pope writes that even talking to Bridge is "exhausting" and reveals that she has tried to find the same level of discipline but can't do it. Indeed, that's a recurring theme throughout the piece: Pope is "perplexed about [her] inability to keep weight off" but admits that she can't exercise for more than 30 or 40 minutes at a clip because she's too busy with other things. She tells us that her mother was always on a diet (or cheating on it) and that meals growing up went from healthy to KFC, but she seems to be looking for a biological explanation for everything rather than an explanation that involves "family eating habits."

Indeed, she contemplates getting genetic testing for obesity but if the test came back negative she would assume that's because her obesity gene simply hasn't been identified yet. And even when she finds that people who maintain weight loss exercises regularly, eats properly, weighs themselves regularly, watches less TV than average and make sure not to over-eat on weekends and holidays, she focuses in on one thing: they also probably eat 50-300 fewer calories than people who never gained weight in the first place. Unless, as one of the experts in the piece notes, they didn't gain all that much weight and they weren't overweight for all that long - how much is 'that much' and how long is 'that long'? Nobody knows.

A lot of people seem excited about this piece (1028 comments as I write), but I don't feel like I came away from it convinced of anything other than what we already knew: most other things being equal, some people can eat more than others. I read many of the comments and listened to a couple of interviews with the author and I think she decided on a thesis that would absolve her of most of the responsibility for her own situation irrespective of what she found when she researched the issue. Even though she focuses on starvation diets, numerous commenters tell her that specific diets (e.g. Weight Watchers or Veganism a la Bill Clinton) are effective; she tells each commenter that diets, in general, fail 80-95% of the time; she won't admit that she has no data about the effectiveness of individual strategies. It's ironic that the author of an article that attempts to debunk the notion of one-size-fits-all diets can't admit that different diets might actually work for different people.

Real, lasting fitness has always required discipline - that was apparent as soon as guys started hitting the weight room in high school. I work with someone who used to be an MMA fighter - he works out six days a week, has 8% body fat, and has eaten the same lunch for the last 20 years. (I'm not sure I find it all that unjust that there are also guys at work who don't exercise, eat crap but have the genetics to only be a little bit flabby.) Fitness success is no less elusive than success in other areas and it's self-delusion to look for a purely genetic answer for why it's not easy.

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Fitness success is no less elusive than success in other areas and it's self-delusion to look for a purely genetic answer for why it's not easy.

Well said!

If I put as much effort and focus into diet and fitness as I do (say) statistical hockey analysis, I’d probably get in awesome shape!

Of course we all secretly wish we were like those fictional characters on TV who, in their early 20s, have already managed to look awesome, be in great shape, be a master scientist/detective/lawyer/whatever and awesome at hand-to-hand combat.

Life doesn’t work that way, you have to pick what’s important and work hard at it – can’t have it all, and can’t have it easily.

by Rob Vollman on Jan 4, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

  1. Particularly interesting as I am 28 yr old male, 6’0 and 183lbs, and in order to maintain my weight I eat roughly 2000 calories a day.
    Using the metabolic rate calculator it has me listed at 2206 a day, a number that I know makes me start to gain weight at.

And this study says a 30 year old female at 190 can eat 2600 to maintain weight?

by DarrenV on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, it’s not just a little wrong, it’s all wrong.

by Hawerchuk on Jan 5, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s actually quite possible. Also, 190lbs for a 30 year old female is quite obese and would require more than 2600 calories to put on additional weight.

Also, if you change your body composition by adding muscle your frame, you will burn significantly more calories, even when you are not exercising.

More muscle = burn more calories

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by OilLeak on Jan 6, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, the type of calories consumed and when they are consumed makes a difference too.

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by OilLeak on Jan 6, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he was eating at a calorie deficit so he would lose weight until he hit a plateau and definitely not a good idea for a long term diet. If the type of calories consumed didnt’t affect body composition, then all pro athletes would be eating cheeseburgers and pizzas as their staple diet.

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by OilLeak on Jan 8, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

A 190-lb 30-year-old woman – likely sedentary and not muscular; why would she be in a fat-loss experiment if she was into fitness? – has a metabolic rate of ~2300 calories.

by Hawerchuk on Jan 7, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, they were separate thoughts, and unrelated to each other. I should have been more clear. Also, people do not burn calories at the same rate, genetics, and body type are a factor in assessing your diet.

Also, when she dropped from 230lbs to 190lbs she would have lost muscle mass as well, whether she is sedentary or not, thus creating a new metabolic rate.

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by OilLeak on Jan 8, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What, no Kyle Wellwood tag?

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by Dirk Hoag on Jan 5, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

Shouldn’t be.

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by Frag on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Hawerchuk on Jan 5, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I didnt read any of the comments to the story, but the impression I got from reading the article wasn’t as extreme as yours, I guess. I didn’t get the impression that she was looking for a “purely genetic answer” for why its not easy to lose or keep off weight. I took away the feeling that there is growing interest in the idea that genetics and biology does have a role to play in weight gain and loss; in other words, that a good diet and good exercise might not be enough for some people. I didn’t find anything in the article particular revelatory or surprising, really.

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by poploser on Jan 5, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Here’s a great example of the author’s excuse-making (comment 12/28):

“I’m surprised by the judgmental tone. As I said in the article, I can find time to exercise for 30 to 40 minutes stretches, but in my personal experience, the rigors of marathon training took a toll on my family life. Some runs lasted far more than 2 hours, and as a single parent of a young child, training often required me to find helpful friends or hire babysitters to care for my daughter while I ran 10 or 15 or 20 miles. For my personal situation, it didn’t work. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t do it again in a few years when my child is older, but a lot of parents don’t have the money to hire sitters or extended family to help out, making it tough to fit in regular exercise, or at least something as time-consuming as marathon training.”

She doesn’t have the discipline to stick to a food diary (which helped the people she interviewed who were successful) and she doesn’t exercise as much as she knows she should…And it’s all excuses: “Who has time?” “Exhausting” etc…

There are clearly genetic differences between people, but I think the author wants to be slightly overweight with no effort as opposed to being fit, which has always taken effort.

by Hawerchuk on Jan 5, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe her need to find an “excuse” for her own failures was the reason she decided to write the article – but if that was her goal, I believe she failed at that too!.

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by poploser on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, I think half the problem is all these extreme diets to begin with. 800 calories? 500 calories? Of course they’re preoccupied with food. They’re fucking starving. Jesus.

I’m 177 cm and topped out at 110 kg in my late teens. I didn’t crash diet: I changed one or two things at a time, in a way I could accept and manage, until those unhealthy habits were no longer something I missed, then I changed a couple more. Eventually, it all became a bit of a cycle, and over the course of 2-3 years, I got down to about 75 kg, where I’ve mostly stayed the last four years or so. I’ve halved my portion size, replaced most of my junk-food snacks with low-calorie or fruit/veggie type snacks, cut out my pop consumption except for rare occassions, cut out non-essential use of salt in cooking, switched from barbecuing to Foreman grilling (okay, I do still miss barbecuing), switched from white bread to multigrain, etc. Had I tried all of that at once, it would never have worked, but because it was a gradual process, I actually like what I do now, and loathe those old habits. I do still indulge occasionally, but usually have a certain distaste for having done so the next day, and feel compelled to run a couple extra times that week. Hell, whenever I eat KFC I spend the rest of the night paying for it, that’s how much I’ve changed my body and eating habits. I have a little extra skin around my belly, but I figure if I ever had the time/discipline to stick to a solid resistance program, I’d take up that extra space with muscle.

Funny enough, even during feasting season, I don’t seem to gain terribly much weight these days; I think I gained 1-2 kg during the entire Christmas season. I don’t know if I’ve improved my metabolism enough through running to be able to absorb temporary blows like that, or what, but I always live in fear that I’m going to blow up again, because I know that adipose cells secrete hormones that enhance fat storage, but it hasn’t bitten me too badly yet. Maybe it’s also because I’m only 25, and once I hit 30+, I’m turbofucked. We’ll see; I’ll enjoy it while it lasts.

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by Doogie2K on Jan 6, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously, that’s awesome, and it’s a much more realistic way to deal with things. I still find it funny that if some scrawny person said they wanted to “get jacked” then everybody knows it takes a couple of years of weight training and eating properly – basically changing your life to accomplish the goal, but when you have these studies of overweight people, it’s all about erasing years of neglect in 2-4 months. Hell, even ‘The Biggest Loser’ makes it clear that it’s a year-long project when surrounded by trainers and chefs.

Also, despite growing up in metric Canada, I have no idea how tall 177 cm is. I did the calculation in my head and it’s coming out to 5’9 165.

by Hawerchuk on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to go with 5’10" (which is actually closer to 178). Close enough. ;)

The thing is, people want results NOW in both directions. Thus, we have Men’s Fitness advertising myostatin inhibitors in the same way Cosmo markets diet pills. People are lazy and impatient, and want the results without the work in the shortest possible time. I don’t expect to become jacked anytime soon, because I know that without a workout buddy, I’m not going to stick to a resistance program. I accept that and focus on cardio in order to maintain my weight.

I have nothing but sympathy for people who make earnest efforts to lose weight the right way, though. They may not necessarily do it right/well, but God bless ’em for trying.

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by Doogie2K on Jan 7, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm essentially in the same boat at 27 (turn 28 in Feb), in terms of how I've changed my diet

And then I started doing roller derby, so now my legs are pumped up which adds about 10 pounds (4.5 kg). But I’ve been a steady 175 to 180 lbs (79 to 81 kg) at 5’8.5" (174 cm) for the past year.

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by Bettman's Nightmare on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, part of what’s kept me in the gym is weekly soccer within the faculty. I’m definitely faster and have more stamina than I did last year, though I can still burn myself out in games without subs if I’m not real careful.

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by Doogie2K on Jan 7, 2012 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Strength training, will help to increase your metabolism and change your body composition.

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by OilLeak on Jan 6, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know. I have a degree in kinesiology. ;) But I’m also don’t have the time/interest/discipline/workout buddy for resistance. Rather than get frustrated/discouraged, I stick with what I know I can do.

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by Doogie2K on Jan 7, 2012 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Anything can be achieved through proper diet and exercise. Up until recently I have been obese my whole life, my body has always been prone to obesity, and I finally topped out at 350 lbs 3 years ago. With the combination of proper diet and strength training(limited cardio) I am now 215 lbs of almost pure muscle. I eat every 2-3 hours, and the only sugars I consume come from vegetables and some grains. My diet consists of high protein and complex carbohydrates; I eat between 2500 to 3000 calories a day.

These results are part of a lifestyle change that I have committed to forever and I could never go back to the way I used to eat, but if you’re willing to commit your fitness goals are possible. Note: I never had a personal trainer and at no point did I use PED’s.

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by OilLeak on Jan 6, 2012 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

That’s a great story. It’s all about finding what works for you. I play hockey 2-3x per week, run another 2-3x, swim 2x and periodically bike or play soccer. I used to lift but I hurt my shoulder in 2009 and I’ve had to go so easy on it that I won’t add much muscle.

by Hawerchuk on Jan 7, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve dealt with injuries recently too, I would get it checked out or it could be something that could be rectified gradually through rehab and training. I tore my trapezius last year and mostly rectified that issue, I need to constantly stretch the area and ensure a proper warm up or my entire back and neck stiffens up. Currently dealing with a knee injury for the last few months, which is more problematic, MRI soon to determine the extent of the issue.

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by OilLeak on Jan 8, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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