Our 2011 Winnipeg Jets Draft Picks
Well, the 2011 NHL Entry Draft has wrapped up, and we have the undesirable distinction of being a team that needs to defend its picks. Not exactly the best way to start a franchise.
What makes matters worse for me is that I was willing to defend the Mark Scheifele pick slightly, though conceding the points that Sean Couturier would have been a steal with the 7th pick and Scheifele was a bit of a reach. The remaining picks, on the other hand, were difficult for me to rationalize, barring some grander plan for the team involving trades and free agency. A number of the picks were reaches, and I dread the possibility that we drafted a local boy because he was a local boy.
Note: Sorry about the formatting. It looks great in the post editor, but apparently becomes free-form poetry on publication.
For analysis of our first pick, Mark Scheifele, have a look at the post I did on Saturday.
67th pick - Adam Lowry, LW, Swift Current Broncos, WHL
| Height | Weight | Age | Season | Lg | Tm | GP | G | A | Pts | Adj +/- | PIM/G |
| 193cm (6'4") | 85kg (187lbs) | 18 | 09-10 | WHL | Swift Current | 61 | 15 | 19 | 34 | 5 | 0.934 |
| 10-11 | WHL | Swift Current | 66 | 18 | 27 | 45 | -1 | 1.273 | |||
| 10-11 NHLE | NHLE | 82 | 7 | 10 | 17 |
Lowry, the son of former NHL left winger Dave Lowry, is tall, aggressive, and plays well along the boards and in front of the net. Last year, his numbers were hurt by a bout with mono early in the season, but he finished strong, at a nearly point-per-game pace. Lowry's a project who needs to fill out, work on his skating, and become a bit better in his own zone. The latter I say because his skills don't really project to being a top-2-lines player, but rather a checking-3rd-line left winger. You know, kinda like Dave Lowry. The problem I have with this pick is that left wing was very low on our priority list, and when I say "low" I mean "bottom". So unless Lowry has learned the other forward positions, this isn't the kind of player Winnipeg should be taking with their second pick in the draft.
78th pick - Brennan Serville, D, Stouffville Spirit, OJHL
| Height | Weight | Age | Season | Lg | Tm | GP | G | A | Pts | Adj +/- | PIM/G |
| 188cm (6'2") | 84kg (185lbs) | 18 | 09-10 | OJHL | Stouffville | 43 | 3 | 12 | 15 | -8 | 0.605 |
| 10-11 | OJHL | Stouffville | 36 | 3 | 27 | 30 | --- | 0.806 | |||
| 10-11 NHLE | NHLE | 82 | 2 | 18 | 20 |
Perhaps hearing my cries of anguish, the Winnipeg management decided to trade up to a second 3rd round pick, finding a willing taker in the Montreal Canadiens for their 97th and 108th picks. Excited that they might take a right wing (like, I don't know, CSB's 31st-ranked North American skater Seth Ambroz; don't worry, they'd skip over him again later), they made me cry a little more by selecting a Canadian Junior A defenceman who was ranked 104th. Most of the defencemen near his rank went in the 5th and later rounds. That aside, Serville lost some of his rank due to having a broken collarbone in the first half of the 2010-11 season, and had an okay showing after that. Some might say that 30 points in 36 games is impressive, but we're talking about 27 assists on a team that had one of the best offences in the OJHL. Serville is a University of Michigan recruit who will hopefully grow into a better defenceman in NCAA competition under coach Red Berenson. With any luck, he won't become the PP-quarterback-type defenceman he's been so far since, you know, we have like five million of those.
119th pick - Zachary Yuen, D, Tri-City Americans, WHL
| Height | Weight | Age | Season | Lg | Tm | GP | G | A | Pts | Adj +/- | PIM/G |
| 184cm (6'0") | 92kg (203lbs) | 18 | 09-10 | WHL | Tri-City | 42 | 1 | 3 | 4 | +3 | 0.452 |
| 10-11 | WHL | Tri-City | 72 | 8 | 24 | 32 | +31 | 0.903 | |||
| 10-11 NHLE | NHLE | 82 | 3 | 8 | 11 |
Starting to wonder if Winnipeg was just trying to hurt me, they gave me fresh feelings of hope when they traded their 133rd and 194th picks to San Jose for the 119th. Now, I thought to myself, they have to pick another centre or a right wing. Psyche! To their credit, this was our first non-reach of the draft, as Yuen turned a lot of heads by playing solid defense for Tri-City. Don't let the point totals fool you; this guy is a defensive defenceman, through and through, and he plays well for his size. He's a very polished skater, and isn't afraid to throw down, either. Provided our previous three picks had went to Sean Couturier, deft playmaker and faceoff man Nicholas Shore, and Seth Ambroz, I would've called this a tremendous draft and Yuen the icing on the cake. Now I'm just eating icing, and that gets tiring.
149th pick - Austen Brassard, RW, Belleville Bulls, OHL
| Height | Weight | Age | Season | Lg | Tm | GP | G | A | Pts | Adj +/- | PIM/G |
| 188cm (6'2") | 87kg (192lbs) | 18 | 09-10 | OHL | Windsor/Belleville | 63 | 10 | 19 | 29 | -2 | 0.714 |
| 10-11 | OHL | Belleville | 67 | 19 | 15 | 34 | +5 | 1.164 | |||
| 10-11 NHLE | NHLE | 82 | 7 | 6 | 13 |
Holy crap, a right wing. Brassard was sent away from Taylor-Hall-Happyland in Windsor to Belleville purgatory during the 2009-10 season, and you can't say he didn't try. In fact, Brassard (like Yuen) was a faller in the draft, ranked 64th among North American skaters. In that regard, I'm pretty happy with the pick, and as with Yuen I would've felt ten times better if the Brassard selection was riding the coattails of Couturier, Shore, Ambroz. It also makes me happy to say that Brassard is essentially the return we get for Ben Eager, and that's already a win in my book.
157th pick - Jason Kasdorf, G, Portage Terriers, MJHL
| Height | Weight | Age | Season | Lg | Tm | GP | WPCT | SA/G | SV% | SV%-Tm | SV%-Lg |
| 193cm (6'4") | 81kg (179lbs) | 19 | 09-10 | MJHL | Portage | 35 | 0.543 | 28.54 | 0.91064 | +0.00632 | +0.00899 |
| 10-11 | MJHL | Portage | 34 | 0.706 | 28.72 | 0.91201 | +0.00494 | +0.01498 | |||
| Combined | 69 | 0.623 | 28.63 | 0.91132 | +0.00519 | +0.01231 |
Once again, this is a case where the later pick isn't so bad. Kasdorf was clearly one of the best, if not the best, goaltenders in the MJHL over the last two years. A big goalie from Winnipeg (fingers crossed that that wasn't why he was picked), he was by far the highest-rated, draft-eligible Canadian Junior goaltender. You could do worse in the garbage rounds.
187th pick - Aaron Harstad, D, Green Bay Gamblers, USHL
| Height | Weight | Age | Season | Lg | Tm | GP | G | A | Pts | Adj +/- | PIM/G |
| 188cm (6'2") | 91kg (201lbs) | 19 | 09-10 | USHL | Green Bay | 47 | 2 | 6 | 8 | -7 | 1.298 |
| 10-11 | USHL | Green Bay | 51 | 7 | 14 | 21 | +10 | 1.431 | |||
| 10-11 NHLE | NHLE | 82 | 3 | 6 | 9 |
Now I just know they were speaking to me. But trying to make me all misty about a Wisconsin boy getting drafted is fruitless if said Wisconsin boy comes from one of my rivals, Stevens Point. An unremarkable prospect; at this point in the draft, I don't really care who we pick...but did it have to be another defenceman?
All in all, I'm not happy with the decisions made here, but it stands to be said that we won't see if this draft bears any fruit for a few years. Now excuse me while I go weep softly and watch WHA videos.
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Thanks for the review. I was happy to see it.
However now that I’m done reading it….I’m not happy anymore. Thanks for ruining my morning…
Once a Rider fan, always a Rider fan.
Once a Leafs fan, alw....hey what?!? The Jets are coming back?? GO JETS!!!!
by The Big Shtick on Jun 27, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
Hell, it was a Monday anyway.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice recap..
There were a couple reaches, but I don’t have any issue with the the picks positionally.
These players are all two to three years away from playing anyways and you would like to think the team won’t go that full two or three years with the same blatant holes. Get some talent in the pipeline and find players your believe in and fill some holes in free agency.
As nice as it would be to see the team add a game breaking star, I would be perfectly content seeing them add second and third line depth / role players. That is the biggest need IMO.
If everything goes as planned, Burm and Kane will be on your top line within a couple years and they really could be an exciting tandem to watch. Let them develop and be patient with the rest of your roster.
IMO the focus in free agency should be youth. Keep the same core and bring in young, solid guys. Unless you are bringing in a veteran for leadership reasons, don’t sign anyone over 30.
At Center, players like Chris Higgins or Tomas Kopecky would work.
If you are gonna play with the left wing, try to bring back Ben Eager. Ville Leino would be a nice touch too.
Right Wing needs the biggest boost, and also has probably the weakest free agent crop. Still, someone like Scottie Upshall or Joel Ward could be an asset and a contributor.
That’s my two cents anyways.
The problem is that we have talent in the pipeline at the positions we drafted; we don’t at the ones we didn’t address. Right wing should’ve been the most obvious hole, now and in the future. As I mentioned in my post on Scheifele, his trouble at the dot could bump him over to right, so I’m holding out for that possibility.
I agree that we are going to have to look at free agents, and I agree that we don’t want to bring in old, dusty players, but it’ll cost. Guys like Leino, Upshall, and maybe Kopecky are going to probably going to be marked up, because they are pretty high on the list at their positions. I like Joel Ward, though. But please God no Ben Eager.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with them spending a few bucks to score some talented youth, I am sure ownership won’t either, but obviously if the price goes too high you gotta steer clear. Might be worth it to spend on one contributor if you can find one on the right side.
Kopecky has the Chicago connection and that could help him land here. Their are also a number of Nucks players who may wander our way or at least get a look.
Apparently Ward wants to stay in Nashville, but will test free agency. His playoffs may make him some money. Still, he would be a nice addition.
As far as I am concerned, the prospect group needs help all across the front end. The only positions I like are defense and maybe goal (especially post draft).
Offensively, I am not 100% sure what I think about Klingberg. I hope he pans out, but I am not sure he will bring the offensive spark some expected. I like Machacek to develop into a grinder on the other side. It is a weird case because all the top end offensive talent is already on the team.
I don’t disagree that right wing is still the most glaring need, but I think they need prospect help at LW just as bad. I also don’t really understand the stockpile of defenders either.
Why do they keep adding depth to their defensemen prospect pool? Are they trying to hoard them? We had areas that need addressing like right wing (which was the largest) and then the other forrward positions. D and goaltending was very low on our list (Even Chevy and Zinger said so on interviews), yet that’s what they added.
I also agree with our very last pick, we should have just gone on a limb and taken any highly ranked forward. Rather than another random d-man.
As for the Scheifele pick, I’m willing to defend it. A lot of other teams also passed over Couturier for other centers and while Couturier seems like the safer pick because he was always ranked so high, Scheifele was definitely the character pick. Every review and prospect profile I read on the kid has everyone saying how much they personally like the kid. In the interviews following his pick I fell in love with him too. Now I just hope he develops well and my hopes won’t be in vain.
Apparently we got ranked with an A+ for our draft. I would believe B+ would be the absolute highest I could give. Either way here’s the link:
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/06/27/nhl-draft-grading-the-canadian-teams/
Wow. Whoa.
Thanks for posting this. I don’t know who they have writing over there, but they deserve a Jason Gregor “YOU ARE WRONG” comment.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy providing the comments is Mark Seidel, the chief scout for Central Scouting in North America.
Here is a link to his projection as well as an overview of his background (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/markseidel/2011/05/nhl-draft-prospects-update.html).
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, given his role and focus, on how he ranks things. I’m not saying he’s right / wrong, I just imagine he has a lot more data to back up his opinions than what was shared in the one / two paragraphs on the National Post, so judging him that way is going to be overly harsh.
Considering every other analyst under the sun is not giving this draft an A+, and the learned Seidel didn’t even know that Brennan Serville is going to Michigan, not Canisius, or that Winnipeg picked after Ottawa, not before, I’m thinking my judgment isn’t overly harsh at all.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
However, a large portion of the analysts are basing their opinion on the work of Seidel (as I imagine there are few out there who match him for first hand access to data / observations on the entire draft class). It seems odd to value the opinion of those who rely on his data while discrediting how he interprets the same data.
Don’t people interpret data different ways all the time? I guess it doesn’t seem that odd to me.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but usually you try and understand a person’s interpretation rather than saying they’re wrong by just reading the header. The reasoning isn’t here.
See his interpretation in the below comment marked “For the record.” Please don’t assume I just “read the header”, since that would be as unfair as me not understanding a person’s interpretation, right?
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m referring to the entire article as being the header. We don’t have anything substantive in there to see drove Seidel’s commentary. I think it’s unfair to judge someone who is head of the NHL for North American amateur scouting to say his analysis is wrong (or right) based on a paragraph that he gave the journalist to fill in a paper comment.
It also seems weird to use his late April mock draft instead of the actual player rankings (i.e. not considering what teams are thinking) from May, which I linked to. In that ranking, he had Zibanejad ranked lower than Scheifele. Also, the May ranking probably doesn’t fully incorporate the scouting agencies results from the U-18 championship, which would have just finished and which Seidel indicated that Scheifele was the best player on Canada.
As I said, I don’t know if he’s right or wrong, but it seems very prejudicial to write, “YOU ARE WRONG”
Your link doesn't work
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Must be a browser thing – I just clicked on it in chrome and it worked for me. I’ll try again. Here are his comments from mid-May.
I actually linked to the same thing below, in “For the record, Part II”
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You also don't get the Jason Gregor joke
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
When you wrote “YOU ARE WRONG” – had you looked at the article I linked or the one that you linked?
If not, then I stand by my assumption that you had just read the header when you commented on Seidel’s analysis. (Your statement of, “I don’t know who they have writing over there” is what drove me to think that you didn’t bother doing any digging on who he was or his background and just commented on the header)
Exactly, I don’t know Mark Seidel or his accomplishments, all I know is the title he’s been given. And based on the mistakes he’s made here, his contradictions of CSS rankings over this year, and the over-emphasis he’s placed on one IIHF tournament on a team loaded with top prospects, he hasn’t really done anything that makes me consider his an ultimate opinion on the matter.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like you’re picking nits on what he said and just trying to defend your initial quick judgement.
You want to rely on his rankings when they’re 6 weeks old, but not on his rankings that are more recent, but unreleased. The final CSS rankings are released in early April. This is before things that would matter in ranking players like the combine.
I’m not saying he’s right – I’m saying that it’s odd to claim that he’s right or wrong.
This is like someone asking Gabe a question in a hallway on who he thinks the best free agent signings will be. And then only looking at posts he wrote going back to mid-May and earlier to bash what he stated off the top of his head.
It seems like you’re picking nits on what he said and just trying to defend your initial quick judgement.
Ignore the argument. Snark.
This is like someone asking Gabe a question in a hallway on who he thinks the best free agent signings will be. And then only looking at posts he wrote going back to mid-May and earlier to bash what he stated off the top of his head.
Gabe has all his pertinent accomplishments out there for the world to see and scrutinize, and he’s come out the other side of the theoretical/statistical meat grinder still doing impressive work. Seidel is a lifer scout, and if this Q&A is him telling the truth, he’s assessed people by determining their “character” and “hockey IQ”. In other words, they aren’t the same. One lays the work bare for criticism, the other has less-tangible, personal assessments laid bare for criticism. You can usually easily identify the problems in the former, but the latter is like trying to nail Jello to a wall. Not to mention I didn’t realize you knew exactly how Seidel conducted his contribution. Unless being asked in the hallway isn’t how they did it, in which case once again this isn’t a good analogy.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So, let’s see …
- Seidel is paid to write elsewhere and hasn’t posted this
- This is not under his by-line
- We get 3 paragraphs per team
I’m going to follow a logical conclusion and assume that this was a quick response by Seidel and not something in depth. Maybe it wasn’t a hallway, but it seems to have been ana analogous situation. Yeah, it’s circumstantial evidence, but everything seems to be pointing in that direction.
And I’m sorry, but when you’re calling a guy out for stating the wrong school that someone attended? That’s picking nits.
Actually, it’s a plus that a person who knew their stuff would include, because there’s a big difference between being a recruit at Canisius and a recruit for Michigan. On the other hand, if you simply looked at old notes and his not-yet-updated profile at elitehockeyprospects.com, you would have come away with suspect information.
You still haven’t verified that it was just a quick comment by Seidel, so you might want to put that one to bed. Unless you are Seidel (or one of his buddies), which would explain a lot.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So considering that Seidel is a key contributor to the CSS rankings, why do you think they have any validity at all?
Because apparent the other people at CSS (and most of the ones at ISS) don’t agree with him. And he’s not providing anything substantial to make it a valuable contradiction. That’s as close to validity as you get in the scouting world.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record
In late April, Seidel had Scheifele going 23rd in his mock draft, about 10 picks after Zibanejad. In the same article, he also said we needed a “difference maker” on the blue line. First off, unless he means a really good defensive defencemen, I think he forgot who we have back there. Second, we didn’t take Ryan Murphy, as he suggested we should, nor did we take any defenders. So where’s the A+?
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, part II
To be fair, in mid-May (after the IIHF U-18 tournament), Seidel bumped Scheifele up considerably, to the #15 spot, in fact 3 spots ahead of Zibanejad. ISS, on the other hand, didn’t even have Scheifele in the 1st round in March, and by May they had him 17th. Unlike Seidel, ISS felt Zibanejad’s performance at the IIHF merited an increase from 14th to 6th between the months of March and May, rather than a drop from 10th to 18th. Seidel doesn’t explain the drop, and neither does ISS explain the increase. Regardless, we’re still talking about a reach pick by both Seidel’s and ISS’s rankings.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems to me that as the season went on, Scheifele seemed to look better and better in their eyes and continued to progress up the board. We’re talking about a reach pick if we use his mid-May rankings, but based on how quickly Shceifele moved up, we don’t know if we’re talking about a reach based on his late-June rankings.
In fact, because he said that he though Scheifele was a good pick, we can probably safely say that he, well, felt that Scheife was probably a good pick.
I agree that he feels Scheifele is a good pick now, but I’m wary of the inflated ranking based on one IIHF tournament. Guy goes from late 1st round to 7th pick because of 7 games on Team Canada. I mean, we weren’t about to put Nikita Kucherov in the 1st round, and he was insane at IIHF.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the ranking is based on 7 games. It could be based on the fact that the 7 games added further confirmation to the progress they had seen over the rest of the year and that he answered whatever questions they may have had during the combine.
I don’t know what was driving this guy’s call … when I don’t have enough data, I prefer to not make conclusions.
Well, what did he lead with? I’m assuming he’d be sure to lead with the most pertinent details, particular for the National Post.
who was arguably Canada’s best player at the Under 18 World Championships…
As he says, Scheifele was a “favourite” of theirs, but apparently he wasn’t a favourite enough to get up to 15 until pretty late in the game.
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 28, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Random Question
I just found out that Michael Kirkpatrick signed a two year deal with St. Johns of the AHL (Winnipegs farm team) and has also been invited to the September rookie camp for Winnipeg.
Kirkpatrick was one of the leading scorers on the memorial cup winning sea dogs team, however he was quite a bit older than his peers being 20 years old.
What I was wondering was if Kirkpatrick signs with St. Johns, does Winnipeg also have his rights, or do they have to sign him separately?
As far as I know, they have to sign him separately. Right now, he was never drafted by them, nor to my knowledge has he had a contract with Atlanta/Winnipeg previously. They’d have to sign him to a 2-way, entry-level contract (as far as I know, he’s not had an ELC with anybody).
I'd like to let all those NHL teams that passed me up in 2002 know that yes, I have managed to fill out my frame.
Co-Manager at Arctic Ice Hockey
by Bettman's Nightmare on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions

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