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Who We Be, Winnipeg HC? --- Defencemen

Byfuglien, one moment away from sweeping Toby up into his arms and carrying him like a baby.

Oh boy, today's supposed to be the day we find out the name, find out our 1st round pick, realize we wish we had a 2nd rounder...but before that, one last Who We Be.  Like the previous one, there's a lot to look at, so let me just preface this by saying that our D was bailed out the first two-thirds of last year by Ondrej Pavelec, and played a bit better in the latter third only to have their credibility further torpedoed by a rough year for Chris Mason.

Star-divide

Another chart of league averages, so you know where I'm at when I used them for our guys:

Statistic League Average Range - Low Range - High
5v5 OzoneS% 50.13 24.96 74.54
5v5 BZS ~0 -7.85 5.766
5v5 PIMtake/60 def 0.72 0.1 2.3
5v5 TOI/60 def 15.59 6.07 20.48
5v5 CrsRel -0.28 -47.4 22.4
5v4 SF/60 44.6 26.7 69.2
4v5 SA/60 44.95 28.2 64.8
5v5 G/60 def 0.15 0.0 0.52
5v4 G/60 def 0.62 0.0 2.71
5v5 A1/60 def 0.25 0.0 0.89
5v4 A1/60 def 1.1 0.0 3.55
5v5 A2/60 def 0.31 0.0 0.71
5v4 A2/60 def 1.26 0.0 4.32
5v5 QoC -0.0098 -0.257 0.128
5v5 QoT -0.017 -0.815 0.711
GVT def 3.98 -1.1 13.7




* Ranges for forwards and defensemen are established across players playing at least 30 games last year
* Ranges for those in special teams situations are across players playing at least 30 games and 1 min/60 of PK/PP

A bit different than the ones I used for forwards, described here, though there's a little overlap.  Quick explanations for the stats different from the forwards:  instead of doing a penalties drawn/penalties taken differential, I simply went with penalties taken.  Almost by definition, the amount of penalties drawn for defencemen is low, and those taken high, so what we really want to know is whether they are taking bad penalties.  I'm considering a drawn penalty fluky and not repeatable.  Also, I include secondary assists for defencemen, as I have reason to believe it matters slightly more to a defenceman's talent than it does to a forward's.  Okey dokey.

AgeGPGAP+/-PPG5v5 TOI/605v4 TOI/605v5 O-ZoneS%5v5 BZS5v5 Ptk/60
2010 - Dustin Byfuglien 26 81 20 33 53 -2 8 18.27 3.81 55.6 1.953 0.9

5v5 CrsOn5v5 CrsRel5v5 G/605v5 A1/605v5 A2/605v4 SF/605v4 G/605v4 A1/605v4 A2/605v5 QoC5v5 QoTGVT

10.54 20.7 0.41 0.28 0.32 43.1 1.17 1.94 0.78 0.018 -0.057

13.0

New place, guy should get a new nickname.  Big Buff is too easy, Buff Daddy trying a little too hard.  Maybe Brick, or Tank, or Rock.  "Rock" Byfuglien...hmmm...Mount Byfuglien?  I think there's potential here.  Nicknames aside, he took soft minutes but somewhat tough competition and dominated them.  That's great, but before we christen the guy a Norris-candidate we need to see him play on the penalty kill.  Grade: B+  

AgeGPGAP+/-PPG5v5 TOI/605v4 TOI/605v5 O-ZoneS%5v5 BZS5v5 Ptk/60
2010 - Tobias Enstrom 27 72 10 41 51 -10 6 17.42 4.32 55.8 1.331 0.9
5v5 CrsOn5v5 CrsRel5v5 G/605v5 A1/60l5v5 A2/605v4 SF/605v4 G/605v4 A1/605v4 A2/605v5 QoC5v5 QoTGVT
2.25 8.1 0.19 0.53 0.24 44.5 0.96 1.16 2.12 0.013 0.100 11.5

Toby is a great passing defenceman, but like Byfuglien he didn't take on a lot of penalty-killing time.  Moving into his prime, he should continue to be a solid PP quarterback, and can hopefully grow into tougher minutes.  Grade: B+

AgeGPGAP+/-PPG5v5 TOI/605v4 TOI/604v5 TOI/605v5 O-ZoneS%5v5 BZS
2010 - Zach Bogosian 21 71 5 12 17 -27 0 17.57 1.93 1.96 47.9 -1.610
5v5 Ptk/605v5 CrsOn5v5 CrsRel5v5 G/605v5 A1/605v5 A2/605v4 SF/605v4 G/605v4 A1/605v4 A2/604v5 SA/605v5 QoC5v5 QoT
0.5 -6.98 -8.8 0.19 0.05 0.29 39.0 0.00 0.88 0.44 44.3 0.024 -0.157

Bogosian received arguably the toughest minutes on the team last year, and though he was none too impressive on the powerplay, he did fairly well on the kill (best 4v5 SA/60 among the regular Atlanta defencemen penalty killers) and showed flickers of the player the team had in mind when they took him 3rd overall.  I think there were a lot of expectations of him that weren't deserved, particularly because Atlanta committed major powerplay minutes to Byfuglien and Enstrom (rightly) which sapped his offensive output, and the tough minutes took his other metrics south, too.  That said, he's still a raw player, but should be trusted in his development.  Winnipeg would do well to make sure he's re-signed.  Grade: C-

AgeGPGAP+/-PPG5v5 TOI/604v5 TOI/605v5 O-ZoneS%5v5 BZS5v5 Ptk/60
2010 - Ron Hainsey 30 82 3 16 19 3 0 15.15 1.74 48.1 -1.550 0.5


5v5 CrsOn5v5 CrsRel5v5 G/605v5 A1/605v5 A2/604v5 SA/605v5 QoC5v5 QoTGVT



-4.73 -3.0 0.05 0.19 0.34 46.3 -0.030 -0.079 2.0

Hainsey was one of those guys that took his assignment, be it shorthanded minutes or weaker matchups, and didn't do a ton with it.  There was a time in his career where he looked like he might make it as a PP specialist, but those days might be rapidly fading, particularly on a team like Winnipeg where PP defencemen are not in short supply.  Grade: D+

AgeGPGAP+/-PPG5v5 TOI/604v5 TOI/605v5 O-ZoneS%5v5 BZS5v5 Ptk/60
2010 - Johnny Oduya 30 82 2 15 17 -15 0 16.18 2.90 46.5 1.510 0.3


5v5 CrsOn5v5 CrsRel5v5 G/605v5 A1/605v5 A2/604v5 SA/605v5 QoC5v5 QoTGVT



-8.32 -8.5 0.09 0.18 0.27 45.5 0.008 -0.238 1.0

The idea was that Oduya would add a solid defensive defenceman to the Atlanta blue line.  At least, that was the idea.  Instead, he took a major step backward from his impressive run at the end of 2009-10, and like Hainsey didn't impress anybody when given tougher assignments.  He needs to have a good year this year, or he will not be long for this team.  Grade: D-

AgeGPGAP+/-PPG5v5 TOI/604v5 TOI/605v5 O-ZoneS%5v5 BZS5v5 Ptk/60
2010 - Mark Stuart 30 54 2 4 6 0 0 13.38 1.95 50.7 1.308 0.3


5v5 CrsOn5v5 CrsRel5v5 G/605v5 A1/605v5 A2/604v5 SA/605v5 QoC5v5 QoTGVT



-4.32 -9.2 0.17 0.25 0.08 46.1 -0.018 -0.190 -0.5

Came over in the Rich Peverley trade with Boston and sucked.  I really can't articulate it any better than that.  Grade: F

 

Having looked at the NHL level guys, here's a quick list of our guys in the minor and collegiate levels (NHLE's are scoring totals that project their performance last year to the NHL level; I assume a full, 82-game season):

Name Age Height Weight 10-'11 League(s) GP PP? SH? NHLE G NHLE A NHLE Pts PIM/G
Paul Postma 22 191cm (6'3") 86kg (190 lbs) AHL,NHL 70 Y N 6 17 23 0.286
Zach Redmond 23 188cm (6'2") 93kg (205 lbs) CCHA,AHL 29 Y Y 8 15 23 0.828
Ben Chiarot 20 191cm (6'3") 102kg (224 lbs) OHL 64 Y Y 4 10 14 1.766
Jaime Sifers 28 180cm(5'11") 95kg (210 lbs) AHL  68 N N 2 10 12 0.971
Brett Festerling 25 185cm (6'1") 94kg (208 lbs) AHL,NHL 54 Y N 2 9 11 1.037
Andrei Zubarev 24 185cm (6'1") 92kg (202 lbs) AHL,NHL 55 Y N 2 9 11 0.582
Arturs Kulda 23 188cm (6'2") 88kg (195 lbs) AHL,NHL 71 N Y 3 6 9 1.056
Noah Welch 29 193cm (6'4") 100kg (220 lbs) AHL,NHL 52 N N 1 8 9 1.250
Cody Sol 20 196cm (6'5") 110kg (242 lbs) OHL,AHL 61 N N 2 5 7 1.869

Postma has looked like a solid PP quarterback, though as I mentioned before we don't really need any more of those.  At his age, he might make a good trade chip.  Chiarot and Kulda are both guys who could eventually be defensive-minded third-pairing players.  Welch and Sifers are both about to become UFAs, which isn't a big deal, but Kulda also needs to be signed, and for what he'll be worth, I think they should go for it.

For as many chinks in the armour as we see here, the team is really one good, second-pairing defensive defenceman and a steadily-improving Zach Bogosian away from being a pretty good defensive corps.  This is one case where free agency might help us, as defensive defencemen can come at reasonable prices.  A guy like Jan Hejda could be had for peanuts.  I like a two-way player that the Ottawa Senators are about to let slide, Derek Smith, who appears to be mature enough to handle an NHL role.

Considering the options, defence is a position that should be addressed through free agency, and maybe with a few late-round picks.  What we're looking for is not something you can reliably spend a high-round pick on, but can be found with good scouting on the cheap.  As I've mentioned previously, I think it takes a backseat in priority to centre and right wing.

Note: For more information on how the Atlanta D fared last year, check out the time-on-ice charts I put together about two months ago.

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I continue to have my mind boggled at Mount Buff’s Corsi scores. Last year I thought it was because of his linemates on the ’Hawks. This season, some of that can be attributed to a 55% Zone start, but the guy still faces top players every shift and blows them away from a possession standpoint.

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by SO_RyanP on Jun 24, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Festerling

Brett Festerling should be traded so he can play with Dan Boyle.

by Rob Vollman on Jun 24, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

As far as I remember Byfuglien actually does draw a few penalties due to his rushing/roaming D style.

by Sweech on Jun 24, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Aprreciate the work that gone into this but did you watch many Thrashers games last year or are the grades purely stats based?
Hainsey D+ ?? – He was probably the most consitant defensive player on the team last year. Reinvented himself after some below par defensive play in the two year before.
Stuart F ?? – Did his job, solid if unspectacular #6 d-man. Brought some much needed physicallity to the back end.
Enstrom the same grade as Buff ??? You won’t find one serious Thrasher fan who will agree that Buff played as well as Enstrom last year.
Agree with the Bogosian and Oduya remarks and appreciate the effort in pulling the stats together, but I’m sure you’ll agree that stats aren’t everything.

by lightsouthockey on Jun 28, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Melchiori

http://www.forecaster.ca/demos/hockey/player.cgi?7893

I was trying to do some research on him so I figured he might be here – but no mention of him. 3rd round pick last summer, he played last season with Kitchner.

by Rob L on Jul 14, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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