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Flyers moves leave me scratching my head to the point of baldness

I don't understand how the same team that signs Sean O'Donnell for $1M and Daniel Carcillo for $1.075M can be the same team that takes on the following contracts:

Jody Shelley: 3 years, $3.3M

Michael Leighton: 2 years, $3.1M

Andrej Meszaros: 4 years, $18.25M

Matt Walker: 3 years, $5.525M

Simon Gagne has one year left on his deal.  He's an injury risk, but he could also turn in a very valuable season to whoever was willing to take the risk.  There's no reason for Philly to take on Tampa's 6th D and his overpriced contract to move Gagne.

With those underperforming contracts, the Flyers essentially put themselves in the hole in the neighborhood of $5M in 2010-11.  They could have bought 2+ wins on the free agent market with that money.  Why they chose to throw it down a sinkhole is beyond me.

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I assume that, like me, you love Stevie Y’s moves thus far?

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d have to say yes. He started with Meszaros, Walker and Foster and ended up with Kubina and Clark for half the money. He upgraded from Niittymaki to Ellis and saved money in the process. I would have kept Tanguay for such a small contract, but that’s a quibble when he can pick up Gagne.

by Hawerchuk on Jul 19, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seen on Twitter today: Yzerman says “I think fighting is an over-emphasized part of the game”. Dude is startling to look pretty smart to me.

by Kent Wilson on Jul 19, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to start calling him “future executive of the year Steve Yzerman”.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That position can’t be shocking given he’s coming from DET.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has spoken highly of the role Bob Probert played with the Wings when he was there, but then again, a) the NHL of the mid-80s was the Wild West compared to today – the instigator changed the whole dynamic of that; and b) Probie could actually play.

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by Doogie2K on Jul 19, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probert finished with more than 5x as many goals per game as Jody Shelley. I’ve had the misfortune of watching Shelley in SJ for the last three years. He has the worst hands in the NHL, I’m convinced of that.

by Hawerchuk on Jul 19, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved that quote. Especially since I’ve been screaming that basic sentiment at some of the people at BSH that were happy to add Shelley and that contract of his to the Flyers.

by DLJr on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget the 2nd for Meszaros. That was highway robbery. He basically flipped Kubina for Meszaros (one could argue that’s an upgrade) while picking up a 2nd and cap space. Clark and Ellis look like reasonable deals, and Gagne is stunning—gets a first line player AND dumps another bad D-man contract, for the price of only a 4th.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d actually be more interested in hearing how Kubina for Meszaros isn’t an upgrade.

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by Rob Parker on Jul 19, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still not a fan of the St. Louis contract extension (it’s a 35+ deal), but everything else has looked pretty good so far.

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by Bruce Peter on Jul 19, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was the one head scratcher for me too.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worst offseason moves ever?

Backing Backlund for 2010-2011
Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Jul 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

capitalism baby

gotta spend money to make money, amiright?!

by Alon on Jul 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Gabe, where’s your friend from July 1st?

Paul Holmgren is obviously a genius and we’re all too dumb to keep up with his brilliance. That’s why these moves don’t make any sense to us.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 19, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey I couldn’t understand why have your 5th defensen man making over 3million dollars?. And then today they add Walker I am confused why you guys didn’t go after Ellis??

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by BL3ACH on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re passed being confused, and have moved on to breaking random things.

by DLJr on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm trading in my Maserati for a Yugo...

They must really want that draft pick; over the same career years Walker waffled around the ECHL, AHL and NHL, accumulating 30 total career NHL points (4 goals and 26 assists), is Minus 7 in +-, took 298 shots with a 1.3% shot%. He has 13 “Likes” on Facebook. At the same time, Gagne spent 10 years with the Flyers… See More, earned 524 total career regular season points (259 goals plus 265 assists not even including playoff points here…), was plus 143 in +-, took nearly two thousand shots for a 13.1% shot %. He has 363 “Likes” on Facebook (plus the one I just gave him). Unbelievable.

by Craig French on Jul 19, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought it was pretty funny that they took another defenseman back in that deal. They now have seven defenders making $1M or more.

This deal is just awful for the Flyers. Taking the two Tampa deals together Phi gets Meszaros, Walker and a 4th in exchange for Gagne (on the only expiring contract in the deals), a 2nd and $450k in cap space. That’s just terrible even before you consider that the Flyers were strong on the back end before acquiring the overpaid blueliners.

by Scott Reynolds on Jul 19, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

btw, anyone friends with a king’s fan? those people must be panicking (no kovy and no gagne) about now.

by Passive Voice on Jul 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Someone should tell them there’s another K-named European LW ripe for the taking if they want to do business with Calgary. A 3rd rounder would suffice. No wait, 4th rounder. 5th rounder? Anyone? Hello?

by SmellOfVictory on Jul 20, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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