Press Box Musings: Should Chevy Consider Selling Our UFA's With the Playoffs Still Attainable?
It wasn't that long ago (one week, actually) that the Winnipeg Jets lost to the New York Islanders and seemed destined to finish on the outside of the playoff cutoff line. Things were looking bleak, what with a road game (where they had struggled all season) against the Minnesota Wild followed by a back-to-back game (where they hadn't won a single game all season in this situation) at home the next night against the defending Stanley Cup Champion Boston Bruins on the docket. A funny thing happened though - the Jets won both games and scored lots of goals, too. With this new found confidence and goal scoring ability, the Jets then shredded the Colorado Avalanche 5-1 on Sunday and then earned a point in a disappointing 5-4 OT loss to the Philadelphia Flyers last night. The seven points earned out of a possible eight has vaulted the team right back into the thick of the race. The Jets are now currently tied with both the Florida Panthers for tops in the Southeast Division and for 3rd in the East, as well as tied with the Toronto Maple Leafs for 8th spot in the conference, though each team has multiple games in hand.
One thing that hasn't changed, though, are the contract statuses of some of our best surprises this season. According to Capgeek.com, the Jets have eight UFA and three RFA contracts that expire this summer, and some important names are on that list. Confusing the matter is the report that as of last Friday, Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff had not begun negotiations with any of his soon-to-be free agents. Wellwood, Slater, Glass, Stapleton, Oduya, Jones, Flood and Mason are the guys that could simply walk away from the club for nothing on July 1st, and this complicates matters heading into the Trade Deadline next Monday afternoon.
With only two more home games before Monday's final buzzer for trades, it is safe to assume that the results of these games will have an impact on what Chevy does. With the team in contention for a playoff spot, I suppose it is good for the players to not have to worry about their contracts and instead focus on the task at hand and play some good hockey. I do however find it worrisome that no contact has been made with these eight guys, as knowing what they wanted would likely help make future decisions easier.
So I present this list of questions to the loyal AIH followers. Does Chevy sell any of his UFA's for prospects and draft picks instead of letting them walk away for nothing this summer? Or do we ride the horses that got us here and let the chips fall where they may in the offseason? After the jump, I look at the eight UFA's and their current value to both the Jets and to potentially other teams.
Johnny has been a good soldier for the Jets this year. Despite giving up some "free pizzas" early on in the season, he has turned into one of the more solid defenders on the team (last night notwithstanding). He plays over 2 minutes per game on the PK and can provide some offense when needed. Oduya was a part of the infamous Kovalchuk deal at the 2010 Trade Deadline, and if he leaves then we will only have Patrice Cormier to show for that deal...
Having said that, it certainly looks like Oduya has settled into a spot somewhere on the 3rd pairing here in Winnipeg, as Dustin Byfuglien, Tobias Enstrom, Zach Bogosian and Ron Hainsey all appear to be higher on the depth chart. Also, it appears that this trade deadline could be a Sellers market for defenders as Niklas Grossman, Pavel Kubina and Hal Gill were all traded for packages that included a 2nd round pick. With Chicago GM Stan Bowman in town the other day to scout our d-men, rumors abound that Oduya was one of the guys he was looking at and I read somewhere that Chevy may covet Chicago prospect Jimmy Hayes (who looked great last night for the Hawks).
So Jets fans. Would you trade Oduya for a package that involved a 2nd round pick or a prospect like Jimmy Hayes? We do have Randy Jones and Mark Flood available to fill in if need be. Or do we take the chance and try to re-sign him to a more cap-friendly deal in the summer? Or will all rival GM`s look at the game footage of last nights game and laugh at Chevy when he offers Oduya to them?
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What a fantastic signing this was, as Wellwood has been an incredible addition to the team. Welly has bounced around the lineup and produced at every spot, and now appears to have found a home on the 2nd line alongside Evander Kane and Alexander Burmistrov. Make all the fat jokes you like Toronto fans, but you cannot deny the success that he's had here this year in Winnipeg.
It remains to be seen what kind of interest there will be in Wellwood, as he has performed well in the playoffs for both the Canucks and the Sharks in recent years. However, he was also out of an NHL job to begin last season and was in Russia before San Jose came calling. His numbers are too good to ignore though.
Do we move Wellwood for whatever we can get for him? To turn a $700k gamble into a draft pick or prospect would be nice, but I'd rather re-sign him if we can. Will Wellwood want to stay though?
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Jim Slater has become a fan favorite in Winnipeg already, as he is the center of the 'GST' line that has generated many chants around the MTS Centre. Who knew that Canadians would cheer for a tax? Slater is probably our best faceoff man, and also sees over 2 minutes per game on the PK. His value to the team in a shutdown role is very high, but he can also pop in the odd goal as well. He apparently loves Winnipeg too, as he's been doing lots of stuff in the community.
I'd love to see him re-signed, but his faceoff and PK abilities may be coveted as well. However, if Dominic Moore can be moved for a 2nd round pick, what would Slater be worth?
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Along with Slater and Chris Thorburn, Glass has also been a part of the successful 'GST' line and has been a tremendous addition to the team. He is tough, he can add some offense and also kill penalties. What he also has is some playoff experience, as he got to within a win of the Stanley Cup last year with the Canucks. Glass is the type of complimentary piece that helps teams win the Cup.
Having said that, some other teams might look at Glass and think the same thing. Is it worth breaking up the 'GST' line for a prospect or a pick? Having said that, both Slater and Glass are UFA, so what guarantee do we have that they'd return?
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Stone Mason. Iron Mason. Whatever you call him, Chris Mason has done an unreal job in backing up Ondrej Pavelec this year. Many articles have been written in town here about how much Mason loves it here in Winnipeg, and how well the two netminders get along. Mason is apparently awesome in the room too, and what about his unreal new goalie equipment? If I had to pick one player that has embraced Winnipeg the most, Mason might get my vote.
However, he is also a 35-year-old backup, which means that any deal coming up would be of the 35+ variety. He could provide some quality insurance for a contending team if their starter goes down, but he can do the same here in Winnipeg. Do we move a guy like Mason for some futures and let some of our younger goalies on the farm come up?
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Randy Jones has spent a lot of time in the press box this season, but in the 25 games that he has gotten into he has done a pretty decent job. He's averaged 1:30 on the PK on the season, and his 0 +/- shows that he can be dependable in his own zone.
Jones might not be able to fetch much in a move, but is he a part of the long term plan here? With Paul Postma, Arturs Kulda and maybe even Zach Redmond down in St. John's perhaps close to making the big team, does Jones have a future here? Is a 6th rounder or something in that ballpark worth it?
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Flood has also spent a bunch of time in the press box of late, but in the 28 games that he dressed for I was pleasantly surprised with game. Noel had him on both the PP and the PK, and at the league minimum you can't ask for anything more then what we got out of Flood.
I don't know if Flood would have any value for a trade anyways, and from what I've heard he's been told to find a house in Winnipeg despite his UFA status. Perhaps he's a part of the long-term plan, but if we could get a pick for him should we?
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So there are our eight UFA's. The three RFA's we have are Evander Kane, Ondrej Pavelec and Eric Fehr, but since we own their rights I am not worrying about them quite yet. I am not sure that Chevy can move any of our UFA's with us in the hunt here, but I am not sure we we can take the chance and let eight solid contributors to our team potentially walk away for nothing either.
Stay tuned for a round-table discussion from the crew here at AIH with our opinions as to what the Jets should do on the deadline, but until then I leave it open to you. What should Chevy do in the days leading up to next Monday? Are any of these players destined to fly out of town? Who should go? Who should stay? Shouldn't Chevy have discussed extensions with their agents already? Tell us what you think!
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I don't see Oduya getting us Hayes in a 1-for-1
We’d probably have to throw a low pick in there.
Hayes’ last 3 years (he’s currently 22 years old):
2009-10 — NCAA — 42 GP — 13 G — 22 A — 35 P — 14 PIM
2010-11 — NCAA — 39 GP — 21 G — 12 A — 33 P — 24 PIM
2010-11 — AHL — 7 GP — 0 G — 0 A — 0 P — 2 PIM
2011-12 — AHL — 33 GP — 7 G — 16 A — 23 P — 11PIM
2011-12 — NHL — 16 GP — 5 G — 4 A — 9 P — 11 PIM
A 6’5" right winger that a marginal scorer and marginal defensively. Are we looking for Antro’s replacement already?
Just about anything for Randy Jones would be worth it to me…
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Feb 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions
I agree about Jones. If you can get anything for him, move him.
I would do my best to keep Mason.
The other 6, I have no clue. I’m not a GM, and making those tough decisions would not be my
forté. But I do have a couple thoughts…
I think we are overpaying for Oduya so try to rectify that through a trade or a new contract.
If I were Wellwood I would really want to test the FA market after the year he’s had. We might see him walk.
I agree about Randy Jones
but to honest he was easily one of our better defenders last night (which in itself is a sad, sad statement. Maybe a scout saw something though?
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What about McNeill, Pirri or Kruger for
Oduya and Fehr or Mittens.
Lol.. Maybe we could even pawn off Antropov. Morisson doesn’t appear to be the answer at centre.
by truck on Feb 22, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They have to consider everything.
I have to wonder if they Hawks would be willing to separate the Hayes brothers.
Any defensemen not named Bogosian or Enstrom is up for grabs.
I’d ship Oduya, Jones and probably Hainsey out if possible, though Hainsey plays better when his partner is stronger.
Wouldn’t trade Mason. The other guys comes down to contract negotiations. If they intend to re-sign some of the guys, then I wouldn’t trade them unless the price for high. Wellwood for instance, if some team offers a nice package you jump, but if not, I would love to re-sign him.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 22, 2012 1:02 PM EST reply actions
If possible is the key...
Jones has next to no value at this point. Antro and Hainsey are over paid and will be tough to move before this point next year.
I would also love to deal Antropov even though he's not a UFA.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Feb 22, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions
Oduya’s contract at the time was overly generous. He’ll have to take a big pay cut (probably 50% or even more) to stay in the NHL. It has been my experience as an observer in professional sports that the general rule is that extreme pay cuts can only be swallowed if the player changes teams. So realistically I think we all know that Oduya is not coming back next season. Should he be traded for assets if the offers are resonable? I think so. I think the Jets can replace him and he’s not going to make a difference in the final outcome.
There is no reason the other guys cannot be re-signed if the organization wants to. Thus there is no real compelling reason to move them to avoid “losing them for nothing”.
I do not personally think that Jones and Glass are worth bringing back. Glass is probably the least productive 3rd line forward in the league. Mason is inconsistent and I’ll warn you that if he is brought back on a multi-season deal, there may be buyer’s remorse soon. Wellwood was a terrific bargain only because he is cheap, but let’s be realistic folks. 30 point forwards are a dime a dozen. Paying $2-3 million next season for that kind of production is completely different than paying $750,000 for it.
Wow.
Antoine Vermette from Columbus to Phoenix for a 2nd, conditional 5th and G Curtis McElhinney… I didn’t see Phoenix taking on salary, what with the other 29 teams owning them.
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PHX with a steal there.
weak return, should have at least given up one of the picks to try and land Miele.
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I wouldn't think so...
Different skill-sets, not overly compareable as players.. if it does we are talking a couple 100K.
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They are two way centres and solid faceoff men.
I didn’t think them that similar, but as our own Alex Hemsky pointed they have similar points / 60 over the last 3 years. Wild may have overpaid here.
The wild did not overpay
Brodziak is a solid two way guy, but he can also play an offensive role if need be. With all there injuries, he has had to play second line, even first line. Slater is not that kind of guy.
Trade oduya I say
I know we are in the playoff race, but he is the only thing of great value we have as UFA’s go. The going rate for a Dman is 2nd and prospect. We need to cash in on him at that price. We don’t know how much it will cost to keep him and anything over 1.5 is to much with all the money we have tied into defense. Flood and Jones are wasting away in the pressbox, and we could call up some guys. Even though jones may not be in the future plans, he is good depth for this year.
The other guys wont get much and would be worth more on the team for the playoff run. Slater and glass said they would resign, and at small increases in pay should be brought back. Same for wellwood. Although if someone offered a 2nd for slater, I would think about it and call up cormier to fill in (same type of player).
I would also like to move hainsey and antropov, but that will happen in the summer to free up some money. I feel like next year all spots will be open for competion on the fourth line and some new blood in that area will be needed. The top three lines will stay close to the same. Get something for oduya i say.
I don't think I disagree
with any of this. If the going rate for a d-man is a 2nd+ and a team is interested in Oduya, then you are right. We need to cash in on that.
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I don't anticipate Oduya fetching more than a low 2 or a 3
I am ok with either.
by truck on Feb 22, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
me to
oduya prob wont get a 2nd and prospect. Players like kubina and grossman are probably more valuable and thats why it cost so much. But from the right team, I think a 2nd is possible, at least a 3.
by FueltheJet#2 on Feb 22, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Is Grossman seriously better than Oduya?
Because I find that hard to believe.
I can be persuaded with exotic stats…I just don’t know what they mean or where to find them
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by canadian texan on Feb 22, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I am not sure Grossman is better...
…but he certainly is bigger!
by truck on Feb 22, 2012 8:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Grossman is certainly big
but he didn’t stand out to me last night. I thought that Kubina was much more noticable, and both were worth 2nd round picks in this sellers market. I’d be surprised if we couldn’t get a late 2nd/early 3rd for Johnny O.
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indeed. Grossman got a low 2nd and low 3rd (presumably) next year
I don’t see why Oduya can’t get that
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by canadian texan on Feb 22, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Considering how many games this team has won with Buff, Bogo and Enstrom sidelined
I don’t think losing Oduya would be a terrible loss.
Flood and Jones are capable fill-ins, but truthfully I wouldn’t mind seeing somebody like Kulda in his place. I think we could use a little more sand paper back there.
by truck on Feb 22, 2012 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oooohhh....
I figured out how to use these fun player info widgets… This looks much better!
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Aren't they great?
Best part is you can manually change the statistical categories.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Feb 23, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

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