NHL 12 Winnipeg Jets Player Ratings
by Bettman's Nightmare on Sep 10, 2011 1:58 PM EDT
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I have to admit, I quit on the EA NHL franchise a couple of years ago for a number of reasons, including the fact that their player ratings and progression made no sense and were not worth dealing with. I'm always interested in the GM component, and in my mind if you have to put in 100 hours to complete a season for a one-point-overall uptick (after an 82-0 season) then you might as well just get the demo.
Anyway, just got a hold of the Jets player ratings, and much like the rest of the game there's some wacky attribute action that matters way too much to overall ratings...
| Player | Pos | Overall | Potential |
| Dustin Byfuglien | D | 87 | C |
| Andrew Ladd | LW | 85 | C |
| Nik Antropov | C | 85 | C |
| Tobias Enstrom | D | 84 | C |
| Zach Bogosian | D | 83 | B |
| Bryan Little | RW | 83 | B- |
| Evander Kane | LW | 83 | B- |
| Blake Wheeler | RW | 83 | C |
| Alexander Burmistrov | C | 82 | B |
| Ron Hainsey | D | 82 | C |
| Johnny Oduya | D | 82 | C |
| Mark Stuart | D | 82 | C |
| Chris Thorburn | RW | 80 | C |
| Jim Slater | C | 79 | C |
| Tanner Glass | LW | 79 | C |
| Patrice Cormier | C | 78 | B- |
| Randy Jones | D | 78 | C |
| Tim Stapleton | C | 77 | C |
| Ben Maxwell | C | 75 | C |
| Ondrej Pavelec | G | 84 | B |
| Chris Mason | G | 80 | C- |
- Rob Schremp, Freddy Meyer, and Rick Rypien were also on the list (at 82, 78, and 79 respectively).
- The team ratings are 78 for offense, 91 for defence, and 77 for goaltending. You know, just in case the ratings above were making too much sense for you.
- Chris Thorburn is an 80? Out of 100? Well I guess, if Rob Schremp is an 82...but EA has always had a love affair with him. I think Schremp's been an 82 for about five years now. Must have a lot of "Poise."
- The "Potential" measure is hopelessly arbitrary and reductive, so it's hardly worth haggling over, but Evander Kane having less potential than Bogo and Pavelec is just loopy.
- EA's also had a long-standing love affair with Mark Stuart.
- Ones that I think they got right: Andrew Ladd, Ondrej Pavelec, Ron Hainsey, Bryan Little, Blake Wheeler, Tim Stapleton, and probably Tanner Glass. Even if their attributes don't agree with me, I think the overall's not far off.
- Ones that I think they got wrong (those I haven't already specified): Too high - Nik Antropov, Dustin Byfuglien, Patrice Cormier (he isn't there yet, but that might be his peak), Alexander Burmistrov (see Cormier, Patrice), Zach Bogosian (see Cormier, Patrice), maybe Johnny Oduya, Ben Maxwell, and Jim Slater...Too low - Tobias Enstrom, Randy Jones, and Chris Mason
- Our forward lines according to these ratings and positioning (listed LW,C,RW): 1st - Ladd, Antropov, Little, 2nd - Kane, Burmistrov, Wheeler, 3rd - Glass, Slater, Thorburn, 4th - Cormier, Maxwell, Stapleton
- Our defensive pairings according to these ratings: 1st - Byfuglien, Enstrom, 2nd - Bogosian, Hainsey, 3rd - Oduya, Stuart
- Good thing this isn't real.
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I guess that’s why they’ve allowed players to go in and edit player ratings for off-line play. The ratings are always loopy. Remember when Roenick used to be rated higher than people like Yzerman and Sakic?
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by Andrew Berkshire on Sep 10, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
assuming we’re talking about games like NHL94 and 95, that just made sense – Roenick’s skills translated better to those games than did Yzerman’s or Sakic’s. I haven’t played these games, but I imagine with all the different categories and much better AI that they should be able to better translate a smart player’s game.
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I agree…the funny thing is that when it comes to playability you still just want the guys who are fast, can hit, and can hit the net.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Sep 10, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true…I think they muddy the waters too much by adding all those arbitrary attributes that allude to playing a physical game. BTW, that was a crazy alliterative phrase.
My brother and I experimented with the attributes, set a player at 99 in everything, and looked to see how much the overall rating would be affected if one of the attributes was taken down to 50. Out of all of them, checking took it down like 3, speed 1, the shooting altogether 2 or 3, awareness almost nothing, toughness almost nothing, poise…10. Nothing else was higher than 4.
I remember in NHL 96 (PC version), the players didn’t have numerical ratings. Team ratings were rankings in the NHL instead. And you know what? At the end of the season, the numbers almost always made sense. With the exception of when Mike Bales got the starting job in Ottawa, because he inexplicably would face zero shots and get all shutouts. There was also a weird easter egg where a player named Squidgy MacFluff would have ridiculous numbers.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Sep 10, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not so much me as it's Roenick... He's good....
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by SeanCrosby87 on Sep 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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by canadian texan on Sep 12, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Sep 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It always amazes me how the EA sims on any of their games (NHL, Madden, etc..) can be pretty damn accurate even with such wonky ratings.. of course they probably don’t even use the game and instead just predict with their own head..
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No doubt, Antoine Vermette and sometimes R.J. Umberger just go absolutely batty in points, probably because of Rick Nash.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Sep 11, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve seen Joffrey Lupul get traded to Columbus and go something like 25-100-125 (Ross, Hart, Pearson)
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by red army line on Sep 11, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it plausible that an NHL team’s (any team) best player is only like 16% “better” than its worst regular? I feel like that’s just way, way, way, way, way too narrow a spread.
Agreed
Why make a 1-100 scale is the worst player is a 75? Just in case you want to add the popcorn vendor?
I swear they just don’t want to offend the crappy guys, because they’ll complain to the NHLPA.
Either way, I always end up getting the game and trying to work trades for dudes I like, regardless of their rating. Just so you guys know, Iginla-Datsyuk-Nash is a pretty sweet line, in case it wasn’t intuitive.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Sep 14, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Kane's potential rating
That’s just ridiculous. What does it take to have an A?! “Be Brayden Schenn”?
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Seguin and Hall are A- potential.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 14, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Brayden Schenn and Nazem Kadri are both B-
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 14, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
So A+ is reserved for...Gretzky 2.0?
Seriously if guys like that aren’t even A+ it seems impossible and therefore a meaningless stat, unless if affects their player growth in which case it’d completely batty
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by canadian texan on Sep 15, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that there is no ‘A+’, or any ‘+’ potential stats in the game (goes D-, D, C-, C, B-, etc), right?
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by BadLuckCharm on Sep 15, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
nope
forgive me, I am financially incapable of buying this game. But my point remains, if A is the top ranking, how good does one have to be to get it? The rating just seems pointless the way they have it
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by canadian texan on Sep 15, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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