Trevor Gillies: The NHL's Mario Mendoza
by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 12:25 PM EDT
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One of the more famous statistical achievements in baseball is batting .300, and though its counterpart, The Mendoza Line, is less prestigious, batting below .200 catches plenty of attention and jokes. This year, Trevor Gillies has sunk to a new low in performance, and while Mario Mendoza was a nice enough fellow, Gillies is not so much. At the same time, it would be unfair to coin a sub-negative 40 Corsi Rel The Gillies Line for obvious reasons, so let's give him the full treatment and call it The Trevor Gillies Line.
Yes, you read that right, Trevor Gillies, in 33 games of "action", has accumulated a Corsi Rel* of -42.3. If his performance was stretched out over 60 minutes of gameplay, his team on average would be outshot 37.6 to 18.1. You know it's bad when a.) David Koci generates more offense than you, b.) David Koci gets more minutes than you, c.) all this is done with less than 3 minutes of time on-ice per game, and d.) you're not even close to facing skilled competition. In four years of Corsi data, nobody's come near those numbers with at least 30 games of play; the next closest was a Corsi Rel of -36 (Don Cherry's golden boy Ryan Johnson). If you extend it to at least 10 games played, you get a handful of competitors, notably Philip McRae who is actually lower than Gillies this year across 11 games and three times the minutes. Tim Conboy in 2009-10 had a Corsi Rel of -40.9 across 12 games and double Gillies' minutes. Even taking players with 10 or more games, those are the only players below The Trevor Gillies Line.
* The difference of your team's Corsi Number when you're on the ice versus when you are not, or: (shots-for per 60 when on the ice minus shots-against per 60 when on the ice) minus (shots-for per 60 when off the ice minus shots-against per 60 when off the ice). It includes shots that miss the net, and is expressed at behindthenet.ca as a per 60 minutes metric.
You might be saying to yourself, "But Mario Mendoza struggled with batting .200 on multiple occasions, and Trevor Gillies hasn't struggled with a -40 Corsi Rel." I'll just say this: yet. There is little reason to suggest that the guy is not this bad. The last time he had more than 2 goals in a season in any season, any league was 1998-99, when he was a 19-year old playing in an OHL full of 17- and 18-year olds. That year, 12 of his teammates scored more goals than him, including a defenseman (Bryan Allen) who played half the number of games that Gillies played. In fact, that was the only time he scored more than 2 goals in a season considering all his years in juniors, minors, and the NHL, dating back to when he was 16 years old in the Metropolitan Junior A Hockey League playing for the now-defunct Caledon Canadians. In other words, he has never displayed the skills (or upside) to take a shift at any position at the highest level of hockey. NHL teams knew this in 1997, 1998, and 1999 when they all decided not to draft him. Seriously, look at this guy's warm-up routine and tell me he has any purpose necessary to the playing of hockey.
So really, this post is as much a condemnation of the New York Islanders organization, who had no reason to give this guy 33 games in the NHL. It's also a condemnation of a league that went from players like Bob Probert and Dave Brown (both of whom could score more than 1 goal in an NHL season, something Gillies has yet to do) to David Koci and Trevor Gillies.
Note: And having thought about it a bit, it's worth noting that at least Mario Mendoza played defense.
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I don't know if this is the right place to ask
So if it isn’t I apologize… But what was the deal with that Leafs Dungeons and Dragons thing that was posted here last night?
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To be honest, I don’t know much of anything about D&D and I leave the big decisions to Gabe (you’ll notice the post is not on the front page anymore), so to quote the bartender in Pulp Fiction: My name’s Paul, and this is between y’all (start at 4:05).
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Pulp fiction is an awesome movie. And I do notice it was gone. I am not angry or anything, just curious.
On the topic of this post Belak just retired and I am pretty sure he held the current record for longest goalless drought
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At least Belak played back on defense some of the time.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
In regards to this post
I never noticed he hadn’t scored more than 2 goals in 10 years. Why don’t they just stick Brock Lesner on skates…. This is truly pathetic
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It’s also a condemnation of a league that went from players like Bob Probert and Dave Brown (both of whom could score more than 1 goal in an NHL season, something Gillies has yet to do) to David Koci and Trevor Gillies.
The reasons why this happened are obvious and not worth being wistful for, especially in light of what we know about Probert’s brain.
Are you suggesting that a tough guy who has worse ability as a player is LESS likely to get long term brain damage?
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Are you suggesting that a tough guy who has worse ability as a player is LESS likely to get long term brain damage?
No, although fighting in the NHL is certainly way down from Probert’s time. My point is that being wistful for the days of 350 PIM 20 goal scorers seems a tad barbaric in light of what we know now.
Ahh. I see your point. I think he was more wistful of having enforcers who had skill instead of ones who have none. For the record Gillies is on pace for 308 over a full season…
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Ahh. I see your point. I think he was more wistful of having enforcers who had skill instead of ones who have none.
Right, and my point was that skilled enforcers are gone from the league for a myriad of reasons, most of which have to do with an increased skill level in the league overall.
For the record Gillies is on pace for 308 over a full season…
That’s because Gillies has racked up game misconducts and the like.
a.) I’m not so sure that fighting is down from Probert’s time
b.) I’m wistful for the time when a player needed to be able to play hockey to make the NHL; any extrapolation is your own
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
a.) I’m not so sure that fighting is down from Probert’s time
I’d bet that it is, although it’d be an interesting question whether it’s down among the top fighters in the league.
b.) I’m wistful for the time when a player needed to be able to play hockey to make the NHL
there were plenty of guys who were clearly at or below replacement level who got jobs because they were fighters even during the NHL’s ‘glory days’. i agree that this has grown worse over time.
Let’s be clear: I never called them the “glory days.” I’m more concerned with the fact that the NHL can be better than this, and it might even make more sense business-wise to boot.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m more concerned with the fact that the NHL can be better than this, and it might even make more sense business-wise to boot.
While Gillies clearly doesn’t belong in the NHL – it’s an open question whether he’s an AHL replacement level player; I don’t think he is – I don’t think seeing a bad hockey player for 2 minutes a game dilutes the product enough to compensate from the clear thrill the crowd gets from a fight. I agree that some of the truly awful players should go, but that’s up to the individual teams.
Of the top of my head, I find these tough guys get more ice time when
1. A team wants to change or regain momentum in the game by a fight/hit
2. The other team is checking hard (or running your top players)
3. To settle a score for a hit/cheap shot in the game or earlier game
4. At home game for pure the entertainment value that some fists provide
5. When a team is being outscored by a large margin (particularly at home)
I think “better than this” refers to cases 1 and 2 only.
And All to often fighting is for purposes 4 and 5 which some say have no value in the game.
Can you imagine what Koci’s brain will look like in about 20 years? Back before they started capping the amount of rounds boxing bouts could last, when a boxer died in the ring doctors found that if you drilled a hole in their head their brains would literally pour out.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute, who the hell actually drilled a hole in a boxer’s head immediately after a fight and watched the brains leak out?
This has just become more important than anything else in the original piece, or the comments. WTF, Ben,
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Drilling holes in the head as part of an autopsy was probably the tamest thing happening to people in the 1940s.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
With regards to the Trevor Gillis Line, what happens if you divide Gilles Corsi Rel by his salary in millions and compare that measure* to his peers does Gilles still set the standard?
*My thinking here is that teams employ a tough guy because other teams have one, and the cap space of the tough guy takes away from it being used in skilled positions on the team. For example, Derek Boorgard makes over 3x Gilles 500k salary or Colton Orr makes over 2×. So a cheap extremely bad player (Gillis) is actually better than a more expensive and very bad player (Boorgard).
In this case what is a worse option:
1. Gillis with his awful Corsi Rel + 1.5M extra cap space
2. Boorgard with a somewhat better Corsi Rel and 1.5M less cap space
Should be
1. Gillis with his awful Corsi Rel + 1M extra cap space
2. Boorgard with a somewhat better Corsi Rel and 1M less cap space
I guess I’m not concerned with comparing other teams’ bad decisions; I’m more interested in the contribution that an AHL call-up would make versus Trevor Gillies, where the price would be the same.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going to agree here
There are players that cost between 6-900 000 who simply fight who can play hockey and do nothing special. For example Jannik Hansen has a -6.6 and makes a whopping 825 000
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In the real world probably <0.0001% of people do. On here? Quite possibly you are the only one. lol. Corsi is a stat similar to +/- but instead of looking at goals for and against it looks at shots for and against. I am not great at explaining the relative part so I’ll let someone else do it.
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As an Isles fan who likes this stuff usually, I'll chip in here.
The Mendoza comparison doesn’t work. For a lot of reasons.
1. Sample Size. Trevor Gillies hasn’t even played 100 minutes of hockey this year. It’s certainly possible that this is an outlier result of just a really REALLY small sample. Mendoza batted 200 over the whole year in normal playing time. Gillies has essentially played roughly 10 games worth of normal minutes, at most. That’s not enough to conclude he’s this bad.
2. Role. Unlike Mendoza, of whom half of his job was providing offense, Gillies is not expected to provide offense or defense. His job is to fight.I don’t think enforcing matters personally, but that’s his job. And in all honesty, he’s not very good at it. I really don’t want him on the team next year. That said he plays so few minutes that it doesn’t matter.
And this line “So really, this post is as much a condemnation of the New York Islanders organization, who had no reason to give this guy 33 games in the NHL” is totally stupid and irresponsible. The Isles haven’t given him 100 minutes over an entire season. Using games as the sample size is deceptive, and is irresponsible.
Gillies is a terrible player. But you go too far in this piece.
Also, you should probably disclaim your Ranger’s fanhood before writing such a piece. Just saying.
Mendoza didn’t play full-time either.
The Islanders have given him a roster spot and paid him money. That’s not too far, that’s just about right.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
His job is to fight.I don’t think enforcing matters personally, but that’s his job. And in all honesty, he’s not very good at it.
Mendoza’s role was to play defense, and he was pretty good at it. So you’re right, the comparison is wrong. Gillies is worse.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Mendoza was played to play defense.
But half of his role was still playing offense, since you can’t separate the two in baseball.
In hockey is role is:
A. Get on ice for 1-2 shifts.
B. Seek out nearest big guy
C. Hit or Fight
D. Get off ice.
Not to score, and not to defend.
Terrible role in question? Sure. But hardly something to worry about.
And the sample size is STILL too small to make judgments.
I'll argue
The fact that the Islanders brought someone up to do that role is condemnable (something that many organizations should be condemned for)
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Okay lets condemn the Leafs for Colton Orr
And every other team with an enforcer who can’t play hockey (90% of the enforcers can’t play hockey).
So at what point does the play stop to allow Gillies to find someone to fight? Am I missing something here? Has the puck never gone into the net when he’s on the ice? Have shots never been made against the Islanders when he’s out there?
Let’s put it this way: initially, you wanted to point fingers at my Rangers fandom…which is funny, because I hated the Boogaard contract, I’m more critical of the Rangers than anyone, and I don’t polish their balls on this site on a regular basis (or any basis, I’ve never done a post on any of them). The fandom argument doesn’t hold water…I could’ve done a similar post on David Koci, only it turns out that Gillies has done worse with similar time. And I thought Koci was an all-time low.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said below:
Make a post shaming teams for using an enforcer. The role is stupid. But singling out a team for it is just stupid.
Once again though, you CANNOT deny, the sample size is too low to make a clear judgment as to his value while on the ice. We can assume it’s really bad. We can’t assume he’s the worst enforcer.
In all honesty, I think you’re unbiassed most of the time. But that line was terrible.
Honestly, you’re angry at the wrong person. That line is true, and what you’ve said so far suggests that you feel the same way.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a bad enforcer, since he fails at good parts of the enforcer's job
which are:
1. Fight people.
2. Stay off suspension.
3. Don’t be too terrible.
But a disgrace to hire a guy who’s scratched frequently and gets 3 minutes at most? When the team has no business paying for a “better enforcer?”
Listen, I’m not saying I think an enforcer is needed. But many teams think so,, and if they do and are in the Isles’ situation, employing Gillies is acceptable, if far from optimal.
You nailed his argument though
With Point 3:
which are:
1. Fight people.
2. Stay off suspension.
3. Don’t be too terrible.
He is so terrible that it is ridiculous that Islanders hired him. (just like its ridiculous NYR hired Boogard. He had his first goal this year in multiple years).
Boogard also hasn’t had more than 2 goals in the last 10 years in any league. To be fair his Rel Corsi is -15.8 and last year was -4.5 so it can be argued that even though he doesn’t score goals he can still play the rest of the game decently.
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Let me try (as a Leafs fan who doesn't like or dislike the Islanders)
I really don’t want him on the team next year. That said he plays so few minutes that it doesn’t matter.
Just because they didn’t give him many minutes doesn’t mean the person they replaced him with wouldn’t get many minutes. Its innaccurate to use EITHER stat (GP or total minutes played) independently. He is still taking up a roster spot which could be replaced by a more useful player.
Using games as the sample size is deceptive, and is irresponsible.
Same comment. The Islanders decided to dress him for 33 games. That was there decision and THAT is a condemnable action IMHO
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The difference is you're assuming they'd replace him with a standard replacement player
Instead of a replacement enforcer. In all honesty, if we could “measure” replacement enforcer, he’d probably be below it (the taunting of Tancredi was just moronic). But the minutes would go to a guy with the same role.
And the sample size matters because YOU CANT TRUST NUMBERS IN TINY SAMPLE SIZES. Michael Grabner had the worst corsi numbers on the Isles through the same number of minutes as Gillies has right now. Uhhh not so much. I don’t think Gillies is very good. But you can’t use such a tiny sample size.
Essentially his minutes while suspended have gone to Michael Haley. Him of the -17 Relative Corsi (-25 actual corsi). Not worse than Gillies it seems, but he’s actually gotten more minutes this season than Gillies….so who knows how the numbers would actually pro-rate out.
Oh I am not arguing the sample size doesn’t matter. I am just saying the GP does. Also I will blame the Islanders organization for feeling the need to play a guy 3 minutes per game (just like I blame the Leafs to feel the need to play Orr for 4-6). Its ridiculous
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Fine. Make that point. It's ridiculous to play an enforcer for such minutes.
But don’t single out one team for it.
He is singling out the WORST. There are many enforcers. He has taken the worst and pointed it out.
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Worst by a long shot, over the last four years.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
in one season of a tiny sample size.
Last year (in 2/3 of the minutes of this year), his Relative Corsi was -7.5 . What’s real and what’s not? You CANT KNOW.
what garik should be doing is pointing out that using Corsi Rel over such a small sample size while not considering linemates or zone start is a tad disingenuous. Corsi Rel has issues with being a catch-all stat. There’s little doubt that Gillies is a bad hockey player, it’s just a question of how bad.
It would be one thing if Trevor Gillies was a -42.3 Corsi Rel and David Koci was a -41.3 Corsi Rel. This isn’t a close-shave situation between players where a minor adjustment would bring them level. The Corsi Rel difference between Koci (whose ice time is similar, who gets worse zone starts, whose Qual Comp is tougher, whose Qual Team is far, far worse) is -15 in Koci’s favor.
Let’s keep in mind that Mario Mendoza wasn’t the worst player in baseball.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I fail to see why Mendoza is relevant at this point, the analogy’s pointless. See below. If you include last year’s numbers, Gillies is at a still terrible -29.6.
And as I say below, he gets half the minutes of Colton Orr, whose steady -22 to -23 number last two years is far more baffling and disgraceful.
This year, Trevor Gillies has sunk to a new low in performance
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't help your cause.
I can say that about a player after 2 games. Doesn’t make my comments right.
Sure, but the difference was that it wasn’t 2 games. It was 33. And nobody with similar usage (or dissimilar usage) has had such a bad year. Not even Mario Mendoza batted below .200 every year, but we remember the singular years of futility. Hence the comparison.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that doesn't justify the "disgrace to have him" line.
Since player decisions are about true talent. You cannot say that the Isles’ employment of him is the worst of any player in the league (as mentioned above, Colton Orr).
I don’t mind anything else (he’s terrible), but that line is bad.
Where did I say “disgrace to have him”? Is that my quote, or what you felt when you read this?
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Finish the sentence, because that’s the actual condemnation part…then tell me you don’t agree with it.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fact that Orr gets double the salary at that level of Corsi (not so much his minutes) is what is more troubling. The Islander have 1/2M of cap space they can use to acquire better quality players and raise the team Corsi.
Not that the Islander use that cap space, but in that way, Gillies does help the islanders team.
Well the Islander "cap space" is considerably lower
Given that they lose 20M per year at the floor. Their actual limit on spending is considerably lower than the cap.
This isn’t a close-shave situation between players where a minor adjustment would bring them level
certainly true, but that’s where you get into sample size issues. there’s a few ‘shifts of death’ where players can easily go -600 Corsi/60 – some defender’s stick breaks, the goalie keeps making saves, guys keep blocking shots, but the pressure’s just poured on. one of these for gillies is going to wreck his whole season when he’s played fewer than 100 minutes overall. i’m not saying this happened, but it could have. (and obviously it’s more likely to happen to worse players and happen in favor of better players).
put it this way, if somehow gillies got another 100 minutes in the nhl, i would take the OVER on a line of corsi rel -25, adjusted for all the factors you mentioned above.
Yeah, at this rate we’d have to track his next-year’s numbers in the KHL (I’d guess Alexei Zhamnov and his Vityaz Chekhov team are licking their chops as we speak)
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm betting he'll start next season in Bridgeport
I suspect the Isles will keep him there till PR blows over, as they like the last name, despite no blood relation.
I can’t stand guys like Gillies. Why can’t they just use guys like Konopka who can, you know, PLAY HOCKEY
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Konopka actually has a bit of history as an offensive player, though he’s running out of seasons to recapture that part of his skill-set. Hell of a faceoff guy, though.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, his offense is gone.
His D is fine (The Relative Corsi is near entirely due to his zone-starts), but there’ no offensive contribution at this point.
And the sample size matters because YOU CANT TRUST NUMBERS IN TINY SAMPLE SIZES. Michael Grabner had the worst corsi numbers on the Isles through the same number of minutes as Gillies has right now. Uhhh not so much. I don’t think Gillies is very good. But you can’t use such a tiny sample size.
Going back to baseball, I’m pretty sure advanced metrics for hitters have shown that one full season, let alone the few hundred at bats Mendoza had, is not even close to enough to learn his “true” batting average (without further information, at least).
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by red army line on Mar 26, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Haley has much more skill than Gillies.
One thing missing in all this is that Trevor Gillies is the son of Islanders legend Clark Gillies. Islander fans who remember the Cup years like having Clark Gillies’ son on the team.
Also, by all accounts, off the ice Trevor Gillies is a really nice guy. The Tangradi hit was reprehensible but it was in the context of a game which had become total chaos. The Clutterbuck hit was just immediate retaliation for a dirty hit that Clutterbuck had just layed on an Islander.
The Rel Corsi number gibes with my impression of watching him play. He doesn’t want the the puck at all. When he gets it he can’t wait to dump it in or chip it up the boards out of the zone. He never tries to make a play with it. He really can’t play hockey at the NHL level at all.
Random note
As someone who doesn’t watch baseball but does watch How I Met Your Mother I never knew what Barney meant by the Mendoza line. Now I do! Thanks BN
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Actually
I’m not sure if it’s an allusion to this Mendoza line, but the reference from HIMYM is the Mendoza Diagonal and its about a girl that Barney dated.
If it’s actually both, then I was in the dark and am impressed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember that episode, and I have a hunch that it’s a veiled reference. They’ve used baseball references before.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay I did the math.
Gillies’ Relative Corsi per 60 over the last 2 years is -29.6. Understandably Terrible. It puts him a little bit worse than Colton Orr. But not significantly, and Orr gets double as many minutes.
Also, Gillies plays on a weaker team than Orr, and a much weaker team that Boogaard.
So while it’s hard to imagine anyone doing worse, I suspect that many of the fighters in this league would have numbers similar to Gillies were they playing for the Isles or a team of similar strength. As well, obviously teams pursuing a playoff position (as opposed to a lottery pick position) are more likely to both have better support in terms of forward depth, and also more motivation to shield their enforcers from any sort of quality opposition.
The Islanders do have other enforcers, and they have done better than Gillies. That’s part of the reason I used Corsi Rel, actually.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhat, not as much his linemates
Which are 54% of the time Konopka and the aforementioned terrible Martin.
vs (witout going to Dobber hockey to check it out) Brown and Zigomanis/Brent?
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Yeah that makes sense. He is the first fourht liner to get called up to duty on the third line when injuries occur.
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He’s also fast as hell.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
try this:
http://www.timeonice.com/mplayershots1011.php?team=NYI&first=20001&last=21230&hv=0
or this for tied score:
http://www.timeonice.com/mplayershots1011tied.php?team=NYI&first=20001&last=21230&hv=0
It displays player names, but is based on sweater numbers. So if two players both wore #11in the same season … their results are the combination of the two players, but only one of their names is displayed.
Thanks, I'll try it right now.
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I sure am glad that I checked this thread! Good stuff, Vic.
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by Scott Reynolds on Mar 28, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
FTR, If you want better "Mendoza Line" candidates we can go with:
EDM Jason Strudwick (Sheltered Zone Start, beyond terrible D Man in corsi and relative +/- and with poor quality of competition).
NYI Matt Martin (Not great Zone start, but really bad)
WAS Tyler Sloan
TOR Keith Aulie.
(Okay so Matt Martin’s the best forward for the topic).
I wouldn’t put a 21 year old rookie in this list. Particularly not one who is playing greater than 20 minutes a night
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Martin's a rookie too.
The numbers would tend to say they’re not ready for the NHL.
If we’re going single season we’re not making true talent judgments, just bad seasons
Part of the post’s argument is that there has been no time in Gillies’ professional career that he has been deserving of an NHL job. Could you say the same for Aulie, Martin, or Sloan? You could for Strudwick, he’s terrible.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
(I suspect that'll be true about Martin. He's one of those players the fanbase loves because of huge hits and ignores the fact that he's constantly out of position)
Regardless, if that was your point you should’ve made a post about how enforcers in general do not deserve an NHL job. You could still point out GIllies, but the title would be more accurate.
I think you are getting overly worked up
He ran the numbers and found out who has the worst (by FAR) corsi rel and wrote about it…
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To be honest, Gillies’ Corsi Rel had me knocked for a loop in December, but I wanted him to play more games before I wrote anything about it.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I've basically ignored it all year
It is what it is. And for the minutes, irrelevant to this team really for this season and for the next (though I imagine he won’t be on the team next year for PR reasons)
Defensemen are a tricky bunch…the big-bodied guys always have the potential to develop a a shot from the point (Sheldon Souray and Zdeno Chara, for instance), but a lot of teams will draft any defenseman that is 6’3" and 200 lbs. by the late rounds. So I give them the benefit of the doubt on drafting D with lower point totals. But a forward with near-zero point totals?
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 26, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sloan probably deserved his job for the first 5 games (in which he scored a goal and drew a 9 min PP). Not so much after.
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by red army line on Mar 26, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re not missing something…I noticed that too.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Talked to Gabe, looks like there have been some kinks that need to be worked out.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than the static stretches (relax stretches that don’t involve isometric tensions and are held for 20 secs to a minute) his warm-up rountine at least stretching -wise looked reasonable. Dynamic stretches like leg and arm swings are how one should stretch in sports before workouts or games. Static stretches are best done after a game or workout or done as their own flexibility workout. Some sports like gymnatics static stretches are done or if an athlete has excessive tightness in a particular muscle or muscle group. A good warm-up should take about 10 minutes.
Oh, I definitely understand the purpose of dynamic stretches, I’m more interested in the motions he’s stretching for (in particular, the grappling and punching). It’d be one thing if he was doing a pinwheel-like stretch and crossing his arms up occasionally, as you would if you were preparing to shoot and pass a puck…or twisting his torso, a stretch we didn’t see him do at all in the video.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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