2010-11: A Statistical "Meh" for the NHL
Yes, after the Lockout we achieved a New Dawn in the NHL: our drastic advancements in rules created freedom for the offense and a removal of the defensive drudgery of the so-called Dead Puck Era. At least, that's what our Commish was preaching, and the owners were hoping. The reality is, outside of a few exceptions, we still have a league that stops the puck at the same rate that we saw before the lockout. We still have a league that offers fewer power-play opportunities. And most of all, we still have exactly what we had before: a league of 30 teams with a fairly equitable spread of talent.
The story hasn't been promulgated yet, but as we near the end of the regular season, people are going to start noticing that we only have one legitimate shot at a 50-goal scorer (Steven Stamkos), and we'll be close to having no players finishing with over 99 points. These were two areas that caused great nervousness before the lockout, particularly during the 2001-02 to 2003-04 seasons. Well, I'm here to tell you we're back in the same boat, and really I'm not so sure we ever left.
Sure, there was a little bump in 2005-06, when everything was fresh and perky again, like Jaromir Jagr's perm at sunrise.
| Year | ES Goals | EN Goals | PP Goals | SH Goals | Shots | SV% |
| 2000-01 | 4637 | 208 | 1877 | 267 | 68162 | 0.900 |
| 2001-02 | 4621 | 201 | 1600 | 220 | 67851 | 0.905 |
| 2002-03 | 4513 | 185 | 1787 | 230 | 69783 | 0.906 |
| 2003-04 | 4356 | 189 | 1717 | 244 | 69007 | 0.908 |
| 2005-06 | 4579 | 178 | 2545 | 318 | 73744 | 0.899 |
| 2006-07 | 4715 | 205 | 2099 | 268 | 72775 | 0.902 |
| 2007-08 | 4581 | 215 | 1871 | 239 | 71496 | 0.906 |
| 2008-09 | 4831 | 227 | 1937 | 235 | 74265 | 0.905 |
| 2009-10 | 4935 | 204 | 1665 | 183 | 74569 | 0.909 |
| 2010-11* | 4851 | 229 | 1619 | 207 | 74830 | 0.910 |
| *projected finish | ||||||
Having lost a guy who was legitimately dominating in every offensive category (Sidney Crosby), we could have been hidden from statistical doldrums that aren't only reminiscent of the "Dead Puck Era," but even stingier. As you can see by the shots, it's not for lack of trying. But I think this is the league that emerged as we held static in size and just swapped a few hurl bags on the Hindenburg. Talent is slowly filling in the gaps, to the point now that little edges (such as not overpaying for goaltending and winning faceoffs) can make a team competitive year-in, year-out. Look at the teams wallowing at the bottom and, for the most part, their undoing has been poor management either in the immediate past (last 5 years) or present...and I'm not talking about poor management in hindsight, either. Maybe you could include poor drafting in there, but I'm of the mind that GMs are going to generally pick scouted 1st round talent in the 1st round, scouted 2nd round talent in the 2nd, etc. and every pick has myriad reasons for failure including true talent, injury, and adjustment to league play. Although Tampa was pretty horrendous at drafting in the 2000s up to Stamkos...
Picture this: take the current league format, current rules, and imagine 100 same-length seasons in a row. The population of the world would increase (barring something disastrous), as would the potential NHL-playing population; techniques to make players perform better would be even more refined. Over a century the talent would continually bubble to the surface, to the point that the league would achieve even more parity than the present. But we'd also reach physical peaks, in the same way that a baseball will only be thrown so fast without seriously damaging the human arm, or a person can only run so fast on turf, or basketball players can only jump so high, or a person can only put on so much muscle before losing dexterity. Would we score more or less in this hypothetical future? In other words, would we become better at scoring or preventing goals? I think league history suggests the latter.
I'll just close with one final argument, and that's that if we really want to change things, there's only so much left that would fend off this parity. Increasing goal size and decreasing goalie equipment size done together would work a slight amount, so slight that people would gripe that we didn't do it enough. Calling more penalties would just tick people off, even though it comprises a true opportunity for increasing scoring. Expansion would work for a bit, then bring us to the same point. Drastically reducing the salary cap would make nearly everyone upset and also level out eventually. So it's crunch time; we could overhaul everything, or get used to parity and fewer dynasties. I like it this way, because the turnover in the standings and the playoffs is refreshing and gives the opportunity for those "Cinderella teams." This also makes it less predictable, much to the aggravation of analysts and odds-makers.
So, what do we want?
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I like this. It takes truly excellent management to make very good squads every year (San Jose, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and a few others).
I would like to see a bit more offense, though. Maybe PPGs don’t end the PP (but I’d throw in that maybe shorties should), no icing while on the PK (as Gabe suggested, may increase scoring a bit), get rid of the rule where related minors at the same time cancel out (so there’s more 4on4). I don’t really think making goalie equipment smaller or the nets bigger is the way to go—kinda feels like cheating to me, that as the goalies get better we have to try and take those advantages away.
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I’d love to see the olympic ice surface be the standard. Maybe detroit could put it in at home? I guess the lost ticket revenue makes it an impossibility
by Hawerchuk on Mar 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It would take longer, but eventually human evolution would catch up and make this redundant. You know, by us icing 7’4", 340 lb. players. And they’d still call the Habs small.
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by Bruce Peter on Mar 17, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there evidence that the larger ice surface will lead to more scoring?
The Olympics are low-scoring. Of course the talent is better. Maybe there is some relationship between the ratio of the speed of the players to the size of the ice surface and the scoring level? To do a reductio ad absurdum thought experiment, a very small ice surface would be very crowded but the puck could travel from one end to the other very quickly. I think it would lead to a large number of shots but few 3 on 2s or 2 on 1s or breakaways. Similar to a defensive shell all the time. A very large ice surface would have the opposite effect, fewer total shots but more fast break outnumbered chances.
I’ve often wondered about the offsides rule. I wonder what hockey would be like without it. I just discovered that the blue line was initially put there to create a rule preventing a team from having a third skater hang back behind the play. You would get a penalty if you had more than 3 players (including the goalie) behind your own blue line when the puck was up ice. They had only recently started allowing forward passes then they decided that they needed to outlaw forward passes into the offensive zone. It was only then that the blue line attained something like its present purpost. The way it it is stated it seems like other players could be in the zone ahead of the play if they did not receive a pass into the zone from outside it. Anyway, I’m curious what hockey would be like without the offsides rule. Perhaps they could eliminate it for OT and get rid of shootouts.
i’ve not looked at the numbers in a long time, but aren’t the swedish and russian leagues lower scoring than the NHL? i don’t really like the olympic ice surface.
The Swedish at least is notoriously defense first. Center is never supposed to forecheck (from what I gather from interviews with Nicklas Backstrom and Marcus Johansson).
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by red army line on Mar 18, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve also always wondered about this. I had never understood why the two-line pass was an issue, except as a way to slow the game down,and I’ve always felt the same about offsides. Allowing a man to crash the offensive zone at maximum speed without the puck, forcing defender’s to follow him, and allowing easier carry-ins would be HUGE in terms of creating more shots, more opportunities. Not only that, but think about what portion of whistles during a game are for offsides calls. You would increase the flow of the game SO much by doing this.
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I would also rather see this than see Olympic ice surface (I think there’s something to be said for the argument that teams will just sink down towards their own nets more, instead of chasing to the outside), or bigger nets. I feel like the game itself is pretty decent right now, the big issue is just allowing teams to generate more shots/rushes without having to use excess PP time to do it.
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Making the ice surface bigger doesn’t make the scoring areas any bigger – it just makes them harder to get the puck to. Making the nets bigger, OTOH, would increase the size of the scoring areas whether or not the rinks get bigger.
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by Back In Black on Mar 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
More PPs
I like the idea of more penalties being called. Not only would there be more offense, but players would have to adapt their games and stop “cheating.”
Truly skilled players could unleash their true potential if they didn’t have a hand or a stick on them every second of the game.
What I notice right off the bat with that chart is that shots are increasing, and ES goals are increasing, so that isn’t bad, even if sv% is going up.
The ratio of PPG to SHG since the lockout has been relatively constant, except for last year (it’s about 7.8-8.2 post lockout, last year 9.1), so it strikes me that conversions on special teams are staying relatively constant year to year. (that’s easy to check if someone was so inclined)
However, the number of PPGs is plummeting since the post-lockout surge, getting to levels that were worse before the lockout. Without checking the underlying data, I’m inclined to think that the initial clutching/grabbing/interference penalties spiked when refs were being watched to enforce the new rules. Now as time passes, they are gradually getting back to calling games looser again, reducing the amount of power plays, and thus the amount of PP goals.
So the solution to me seems to be to extend the length of, or increase the amount of powerplays in the league.
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interference is hardly called anymore in the games i watch. they’ve even loosened up on hooking. the devils are about to match a 30 year ‘record’ for fewest penalties drawn per game. so, yeah, more power plays would be nice.
That’s definitely a huge reason why offence is dropping.
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by Bruce Peter on Mar 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a friend that suggested that the clutch-and-grab infractions, if not penalized, would slow things down and reduce injury. Needless to say, I’m having my doubts.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 17, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah, that’d work… but do you really want to see 10 PPs a game, per team? We might as well just give each team 30 mins of PP time, and see who scores more PP goals. And I can’t be the only one who sees a large amount of chintzy calls going on around the league, inconsistency both within games and between games, and have the desire to keep the ref’s from getting even further involved in the way the game plays.
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but do you really want to see 10 PPs a game, per team?
Why do we have to go to hyperbole? 05-06 had ~11.7pps per game, which was easily the high point, and maybe could be deemed excessive. The other years before last year were between 8.3 and 9.7. Last year was 7.4, and this year we’re currently at 7.1. I’m not sure why it’s deemed ridiculous to ask for one-two more PP a game, or asking that PPGs don’t end a PP (adding more minutes to existing PPs)
Yes, the refs suck, but that’s a separate issue that needs to be addressed.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 17, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Another solution right here.
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by Bruce Peter on Mar 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know, I seem to remember someone at HP exploring that idea (maybe Tom?) and determining that it would be another case where, after the first few years, things would stabilize and revert to the same scoring levels.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s certainly possible that would be the case. Short of widening the nets, though, I don’t see any other option that might increase scoring. I haven’t personally noticed a return to pre-lockout levels of obstruction, just an increase in bodies clogging the scoring lanes.
A 4-on-3 is more dangerous than a 5-on-4. A 2-on-1 is more dangerous than a 3-on-2. Coaching might become even more risk averse, but then with fewer players on the ice the influence of coaching may also be reduced. I’d say it’s an option well worth trying (if there was a hope in hell of getting a player’s union to agree to it).
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by Back In Black on Mar 17, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s true, I hadn’t considered the 4-on-3 versus 5-on4 angle.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 17, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
is that what happens?
do things stabilize? if so where? it seems to me to be a law of team sports that, from any given set of rules, defense will come to dominate over time, and without periodic liberalization of rules, all games would tend toward the stability of soccer, viz: 0-0.
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I don’t want more special teams just to boost scoring. As a fan, I’d rather watch 5-on-5 than a powerplay. I don’t even care if save percentage is going up as long as the play flows.
I want teams that are legitimately good with the puck to win over less-skilled teams that can’t create their offense. If it’s 45 shots to 40 and it ends 1-0, then so be it. The action would still be exciting.
I do think making the rink a little bigger would help, but probably more in the width than the length.
As far as parity. That’s the holy grail in my mind. It works wonders for the NFL. There is much more excitement league-wide when each team feels it has a legit shot to win when the season starts, unlike baseball and european soccer where the financials give such a huge advantage to certain teams.
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I agree.
I want to see 5 on 5 scoring increased, not more power plays. On the issue of power plays however, the refs have to call hooking and holding or else everyone does it at 5 on 5 and it depresses 5 on 5 scoring. So calling more penalties can increase 5 on 5 scoring by reducing the hooking and holding.
Those numbers seem to suggest that scoring has increased. PPGs are way down but that’s because they don’t call as many penalties as they have in the past (which they can easily change if they want to, see recent increase in diving penalties.)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
The totals there: 6989, 6642, 6715, 6506, lockout, 7620, 7287, 6906, 7230, 6987, 6906. Definitely trending down again.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pondering whether 5v5 Goals/60 is actually down or the almost 50% decrease in powerplays since 05-06 is confounding the results.
Though the constantly increasing Sv% is worrying. They should nerf goalies again. (ES Sv% is also increasing right?)
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Looks constant according to Gabe’s data. I’ve got 2.37, 2.45, 2.46, and 2.44 for 5v5G/60 last 4 years.
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by George E. Ays on Mar 17, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s say they do chance the rules to “open up the game” more to create more offense. Wouldn’t the same thing happen in a few years and we would right back here taking about the same thing? Goalies will get quicker and defensive schemes will pick on offensive tendencies. Coaching defense is a lot easier than coaching offense.
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by Matthew Ventolo on Mar 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions
I agree…which is why I think we just need to get used to it.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Mar 17, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Shot clocks
I’ve never put any thought into it, but basketball scoring shot up by almost 20% in the first year of the shot clock and 35% after a few years.
Obviously it’s a little bit different in hockey than basketball or lacrosse as possessions aren’t as easy to give away, so you’d have to find another way to punish shot clock violations. Maybe you could do a face-off type thing with opposite rules from the icing rule – defensive team gets to change, the face-off moves to center ice, and the offensive team can’t change. That’s a pretty significant punishment, so I think that’d be enough to scare teams away from violating the clock too frequently. Thus you may not need to worry too much about the whistle going every minute or so.
It could take the cycle (and maybe the dump and chase) form of offense away from the game and force teams to rely on offenses that could lead to quick shots on the rush. After the rush, the push for getting shots could lead to more turnovers in the offensive end.
I’m not one that thinks the game needs to change all that much, so I don’t like this idea that much … but if you want scoring to get back to the 80s, something drastic seems to be the only way to accomplish that.
I think that, precisely because possession is so fluid in hockey, a shot clock like that would lead to significantly less scoring. The cycle and dump&chase are two ways to score, and if all of a sudden you only have to defend against the rush…
I’m not one that thinks the game needs to change all that much, so I don’t like this idea that much
I’m with ya. Hell, I’d bring back the tie. The 80s is gone, teams knoiw how to defend and goalies can make a save… And I have no problem with that. The best way to get scoring up would be to move to 4on4, and I really hope that never happens.
I’m with ya. Hell, I’d bring back the tie.
I think a straight tie, no overtime, after three periods would open up the game a bit. 3 point overtime has motivated teams to go for ties in regulation to get that extra quarter point of expected value.
The NHL (and it’s not alone in professional sports) really has some stupid ideas at times – and they’re so ingrained.
How do you promote parity in a league? Why, let’s create incentives for certain teams to lose by rewarding teams that finish at the bottom of the standings … somebody had to be really drunk when they dreamed up the whole idea of the draft.
In professional team sports with goals (soccer, hockey, basketball), my intuition is that the universal truth is that scoring goes down over time. Reasons:
1. Defense is highly coachable. That is, super star offensive talent is hard to find on our small planet. Team defense requires “only” great tactics from the coach and tremendous buy in from the players.
2. Players have gotten much, much bigger, quicker, faster and stronger. But the goals and fields/courts are exactly the same. Watching an NBA game live, you’ll be struck how big the 10 guys are and how little room there is on the floor. Hence the move by many offenses over recent years to literally clear out half the floor for a 2-man game. Soccer and hockey goalies have massively better goal coverage abilities than they did in the past, as a result of improvements in athleticism and technique.
Seems to me the easy answer is increase the size of the goal. In all these sports.
I honestly wouldn't mind more penalties
Most people will disagree with this, but we really need more of the “chinsy” penalties. Refs would be a lot more consistent if they just called a penalty every time they saw a penalty, instead of calling a penalty most of the time and going “Eh…that penalty didn’t really affect the play” or deciding to ignore certain rules at the end of games.
If a ref calls a soft hooking call in OT, he’s not affecting the outcome of the game. The player committing the penalty is affecting the outcome.
Get back to calling penalties consistently an we can have 10-12 PPs per game, which is only about one third of the game.
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