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Who Won the Gretzky Trade?

It’s been over 22 years since the fateful day when, in some people’s interpretations, a broke Peter Pocklington sold the sport itself to the Americans by dealing/selling the greatest hockey player who ever lived to the Los Angeles Kings.  Peter Puck had been shopping Wayne Gretzky around for months prior to their 1988 Stanley Cup victory, to teams like Los Angeles, Detroit, Vancouver, Winnipeg and the Rangers. 

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Glen Sather, who objected to the trade as strenuously as a GM is capable and even threatened to resign, was eventually persuaded by the Great One to support the deal.  The press conference was an emotional one, with genuine tears shed by normally stoic warriors.  The announcement caused an immediate uproar across Canada, to the point where Member of Parliament Nelson Riis asked the government to intervene in a truly historic fashion, and to acquire the legendary scorer themselves.

 

It’s understandable to still feel a range of strong emotions about hockey’s most famous trade.  Did the trade cost the Oilers several more Cups?  Did it truly mark the end of Canadian control of the league?  Did it set off a chain reaction that ultimately led to the Winnipeg and Quebec franchises moving to Phoenix and Colorado?

 

Given the emotional impact of the trade, is it even possible to objectively determine who really won this trade?  Is it conceivable that it might even have been a good move for the Oilers?  Using the dispassionate eye of GVT, which measures in goals the value a player provides to a team both offensively and defensively relative to a replacement-level player, we can determine which team walked away with the greater collection of assets August 9th, 1988.

 

How It Looked

 

The trade certainly didn’t look very good that day.  The Oilers were giving up three players in their prime who had already combined for over 750 goals, 2000 points and 9 Stanley Cup rings.  Gretzky already had 1086 assists which, at the time, was already an NHL record, ahead of Gordie Howe’s 1049 and Marcel Dionne’s 1024.  Arguably it was only an injury that broke Gretzky’s incredible streak of 8 consecutive Hart Trophies and 7 consecutive Art Ross trophies.

 

Age Player             GP  G    A   PTS  +/-  GVT

27 Wayne Gretzky      696 583 1086 1669 +551 339.8

28 Mike Krushelnyski  452 146  196  342 +166  54.3

25 Marty McSorley     247  24   40   64  -14   9.8

   TOTAL             1395 753 1622 2075 +703 403.9

 

And what were the Oilers getting?  Fifteen million in cash, three first round draft choices, and a couple of kids.  Even for the known commodity Slats insisted on Luc Robitaille, but was forced to settle for Jimmy Carson. 

 

Age Player             GP  G    A   PTS  +/-  GVT

20 Jimmy Carson       160  92   94  186  -24  32.9

 

Walking away with only one NHL player was as incredibly high-risk deal for the Oilers.  The prospect and three picks could have resulted in absolutely nothing, an extension of their dynasty, or anything in between.

 

So What Happened?

 

We all know how things worked out for the Kings.  Gretzky would win the Hart trophy his first season in Los Angeles, but never again, and add only three more Art Ross awards to his massive trophy case.  At the time of the deal Gretzky had already achieved well over half of his scoring, and two thirds of his goal scoring.  The Kings would never win the Stanley Cup, and see the Finals only once.

 

Player             GP  G    A   PTS +/-  GVT

Wayne Gretzky     791 311  877 1188 -33 202.0

Marty McSorley    714  84  211  295  -4  61.4

Mike Krushelnyski 445  95  132  227 +13  25.2

TOTAL            1950 490 1220 1710 -24 288.6

 

Fortunately both the prospect and one of the picks worked out well for the Oilers, and together they contributed more than Gretzky from that point forward.  Martin Gelinas and Martin Rucinsky would outscore Gretzky 550 to 311, and 1272 to 1188 in points, earning 22.2 more goals above replacement value than the Great One.

 

Player             GP  G   A   PTS  +/-  GVT

Martin Gelinas   1273 309 351  660  +52 117.9

Martin Rucinsky   961 241 371  612  +46 106.3

Jimmy Carson      466 183 192  375   +3  60.8

Nick Stajduhar      2   0   0    0   +2   0.2

Jason Miller        6   0   0    0    0  -0.4

TOTAL            2708 733 914 1647 +103 284.8

 

The only known commodity the Oilers received was the young Jimmy Carson, and though the benefit of hindsight reveals that he was worth less than Marty McSorley at the time of the trade, the Oilers shrewdly and quickly leveraged his talent to get Petr Klima and Joe Murphy from the Detroit Red Wings, who helped bring one more Stanley Cup to Edmonton in 1990.

 

So Who Won the Trade?

 

Even to the dispassionate eye, the Los Angeles Kings still won the trade, but it was by fewer than 5 goals.  This trade was hardly the disaster that people anticipated at the time, or that more emotional fans still believe today.  In fact, it’s remarkable how such a crapshoot could have turned out so evenly for both teams.

 

Both teams walked away winners that day.  The Los Angeles Kings, and California hockey in general, enjoyed a boom under Wayne Gretzky, the likes of which they surely wouldn’t have enjoyed with Jimmy Carson, Martin Gelinas and Martin Rucinsky.  And imagine how great a deal it would have been for the Oilers if they had gotten Luc Robitaille instead of Jimmy Carson, or if they had drafted Saku Koivu or Todd Bertuzzi instead of Nick Stajduhar, or had perhaps gotten a better prospect than Corey Foster from New Jersey for L.A’s first choice in 1989.  Even with their relatively average luck, the Oilers still walked away with assets that would ultimately prove to be equivalent in value.

 

Even after 22 years the debate over this trade rages on, and though the objective eye of GVT is unlikely to end it, it might at least add some clarity.  This trade was practically dead even, and suited the needs of both teams at the time.

 

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Who won the Gretzky trade?
It was highway robbery by the Los Angeles Kings
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The Los Angeles Kings
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The Edmonton Oilers
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The Oilers, by a longhsot
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Ultimately the perception is the Oilers lost this trade because very little of the performance of those players came as Oilers.

Had these guys had a career with the Oilers, the perception might be a bit different.

In theory, there is little difference between practice and theory, but in practice there is!

by dawgbone98 on Feb 18, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

In response to some messages and tweets I’ve received, my apologies for not giving you a “tie” option – I’d like everyone to go out on a limb and pick a winner. If you’re adamant about it being a tie, you can supplement your vote with a comment.

I’d also like to share one excellent point.
Oilers got 284.8 GVT worth of talent in 2708 games,
Kings got 288.6 GVT worth of talent, but required 758 fewer games.

What does that mean?

Say the Los Angeles Kings used fewer than 758 games worth of replacement-level players. With Carson/Gelinas/Rucinsky some of them would have had to sit. So while these three players offered 284.8 goals more than replacement-level, in practice they would have improved the team by less.

Is that the case here? No. In just the first season, 1988-89, the Los Angeles Kings used 222 games of replacement-level talent, and 402 games the next year. Having Gelinas/Rucinsky/Carson would have taken ice time away from the likes of Mike Allison, Jay Miller, and Keith Crowder, so it stands to reason that the Kings would have enjoyed the full 284.8 goals of value.

How about the Oilers? 247 GP the first year, and 176 the next. If Gretzky had stayed it just would have meant more ice-time for Kelly Buchberger, Dave Brown and Kevin McLelland.

Still, it’s a great point and one that would need to have been considered had Gretzky gone to or from a team without flaw.

by Rob Vollman on Feb 18, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

also important

What’s the GVT of 15 million 1998 dollars? (j/k)

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.

by Ubiquitous on Feb 18, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

And it’s not just the 15 million, it’s the extra money to pay Gretzky (et al) instead of Gelinas/Rucinsky/Carson.

by Rob Vollman on Feb 18, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I went for the Kings winning big time … they benefited beyond just the hockey part of the trade – the Kings were the cool team of the 90s and this trade was a huge factor in that (the Raiders colors helped too). This trade really seemed to transform that organization (fraudulent activity of the owner apparently helped as well) and I think when considering an acquisition of this scale, that’s something that should be factored in.

I also wonder if some benefit of Tony Granato and Tomas Sandstrom should be included in this for the Kings. That 70 goal season of Bernie Nicholls seemed to be a big factor in bringing those two on board and looking at Nicholls career, it seems that Gretzky had just a wee bit to do with that performance.

Stepping outside from the pure hockey perspective bit, but the Kings are still in LA at the moment and that wasn’t a sure thing at the time of the trade.

Kings attendance in 87-88 was under 12k per game but grew to almost 15k in 88-89.

by Bourque77 on Feb 18, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Good point. All others things (e.g. win%) being equal, players that were thrilled to play in LA alongside the Great One would have been far less enthusiastic about playing with Gelinas/Carson/Rucinsky.

Not sure how to measure that objectively, though.

by Rob Vollman on Feb 18, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Franchise value probably is another impact to explore, since this was a trade largely made by two owners, overriding their general managers.

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by Bruce Peter on Feb 18, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Biggest winner: the NHL, whose aggregate value probably went up by ~500M$ because of the Gretzky trade.

by Tom Awad on Feb 18, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that why they apparently instructed the officials to give the Kings a “bye” over the Leafs?

by Rob Vollman on Feb 18, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

It is. Stupid NHL.

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by PPP on Feb 23, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say Kings won, but if the Oil had kept Gretzky, they might have folded all together, no use having a star player If you dont have a team for him eh?

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by Jcksn22 on Feb 26, 2011 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

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