Trade Bait: Bobby Ryan
With the Anaheim Ducks struggling to start the season, all sorts of rumors are swirling. Rumors say the coach will be fired. Rumors say there will be a fire sale on talent. Personally, I'm not confident the Ducks will actually move one of their young superstars but they have reportedly been receiving calls. At the centre of these calls is Bobby Ryan.
Who is Bobby Ryan?
Bobby Ryan is a game breaking talent and at this point, I think it is fair to say he is a consistent thirty goal scorer. He has also had one of the best +/- totals on his team in each of the last 3 seasons. The nerdier numbers like him too, as he has had one of the best Corsi ratings on his squad over the same time period. Both of these stats were often ahead of those posted by Perry and Getzlaf. He is also young enough that he could help a team for a number of years.
What is Bobby Ryan's value?
This is a little tougher to nail down. Young thirty goal scorers don't end up on the trade market very often and even in the draft, they aren't easy to hammer down. Last year there were only twenty nine 30 goal scorers across the league. That is less than one per team on average. Most years (in this era) there are less than 40 such players. Ryan is also one of only 8 players on the league who has scored 30 goals in each of the last 3 seasons. Combine that info with his high +/- and Corsi and I think it is fair to say Ryan is a pretty valuable player and the Ducks will likely be looking for a lot if they are going to move him.
So... What is Bobby Ryan worth?
This is where things get complicated and obviously this will depend largely on any potential trade partner. It will also depend on what Anaheim is hoping to get in return.
That said, Bobby Ryan is easily the kind of player who could / should command 2 early first round picks and probably more. If you are a playoff team that will not be drafting anywhere near the lottery for the foreseeable future, this might be the only way you can get a hold of a player like Ryan outside of spending big dollars on the free agent market. If you are a lottery team and you are willing to move a few pieces and a high pick in order to acquire a player is closer to a "sure thing" I suppose you can go in that direction as well.
Should the Jets look at trading for Bobby Ryan?
Obviously any credible GM will do their due diligence any time a player of this caliber becomes available and if there is a deal that makes sense, you have to take it. That said, a team in the Jets situation, probably should not trade a ton of draft picks for Bobby Ryan. Even though the Jets have shown the ability to hang with almost any team in the league, the standings say they are the 7th worst team. At this point, the Jets are closer to a lottery pick than they are to a playoff spot. Those lottery picks are extremely valuable.
What kind of package could the Jets put together for Ryan?
If the Ducks move Ryan, they will likely be looking to add depth, draft picks and the rumors say they are looking for a big defense man. They will also probably want to shed or maintain their cap number. I will throw together a few possible scenarios simply for discussion sake, I don't necessarily agree with them either.
Bobby Ryan for Dustin Byfuglien
Bobby Ryan and Peter Holland for Johnny Oduya, Arturs Kulda, Blake Wheeler and a 1st round pick.
Bobby Ryan and Emerson Etim for Alexander Burmistrov, Brett Festerling and Arturs Kudla and a 2nd round pick
Bobby Ryan for Mark Stuart, Kyle Wellwood, Paul Postma and a 1st round pick.
As I have stated, I don't think Ryan will be moved. I do think he is one heck of a talent though and he could definitely make our team better. Imagine Kane one one side, Ryan on the other. Pick a centre, it would be fun.
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Only the Buf for Ryan trade has any hope of happening. The other trades you propose are so one sided in favor of the Jets that Anaheim would never agree to them. Some of the players (Festerling, Oduya, Stuart) have extremely limited value and are not incentives in any way for Anaheim. In fact, Oduya’s contract might actually be a disincentive for them. Burmistrov is not garbage and that might eventually work out in Anaheim’s favor to make that, but that is pretty darn steep to expect them to kick in Etim when Burmistrov is an unproven commodity .
I know nobody wants to hear this, but I’m not seeing the Jets as being potential trade partners for Ryan – assuming he gets traded at all. I heard this kind of speculation about Ryan before when the Jets were the Thrashers and nothing came of it then either.
Ryan would probably cost what I said one year ago on the old Thrashers boards – Kane PLUS something else of value, possibly a 1st round pick.
Just throwing around ideas...
I don’t want the team to give away Burmi under any circumstances. I like him as a building block.
At this point Kane is out producing Ryan and he is doing it with less help. It looks like he has developed into the 30 goal scorer that people thought he could be. I can’t see him getting traded especially with a first for Ryan.
I agree that the Jets aren’t likely players in any trade talks and I don’t think Ryan will be moved.
#4 actually had me laughing
And I don’t see any team moving a 1st round pick for him, plus all that other jazz. Unless it’s Brian Burke…because he’s crazy that way
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Ryan is easily worth a first round pick and a bit...
He is pretty close to a sure thing as a first line RW, which we don’t have on our squad or in the system. Plus, there is no guarantee that you can land a first line RW even with a first round pick in the top half of the draft.
True
I just don’t see the Jets giving up top picks, plus our top defensive prospect, top stay at home defender and top point getter
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by canadian texan on Nov 30, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
My thinking was:
I don’t know what they have planned for Wellwood long term. He could be dangled at the deadline anyways. Might never be a better time to move him as his #s will surely trail off.
Stuart may be our best “stay at home” guy, but he is still our 5 / 6 when everybody is healthy.
Kulda has shown enough to possibly take Stuart’s job within the year or so.
We have been surviving without our 1 and 4, I think we could do alright without the 5 / 6.
That said, I don’t really see the Ducks wanting Postma. They have offensive D on the ice and in the system. They need stay at home types.
Just throwing some ideas out there for discussion sake.
by truck on Dec 1, 2011 1:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bobby Ryan for
Dustin Byfuglien, Johnny Oduya and a pick. At least. We may even have to add another player in there. I would probably still do it, as long as its not a first rounder.
Disclaimer: I just seriously want to see Buff get his ass out of Winnipeg.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions
Sending Buff and Oduya for Ryan would add about 3.5 mill to the Ducks salary pool
I am not anti Buff. I still think he can develop.
I just want to add
in defence of truck, that the 1st round pick is likely to be viewed as, at least, a top 10 pick.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Dec 1, 2011 5:49 PM EST reply actions
getting Bobby Ryan is worth a million first round picks
some of you are crazy. this is Bobby Ryan. Number 2 overall Bobby Ryan. Drafted only behind Sidney Crosby. He’s an established pro whereas a 1st round draft pick is just potential.
No one can sit here and dissect what Mark Scheifele will do in the NHL. But we can all state that Bobby Ryan has the tools to be a 40 goal scorer in this league.
I’d trade Scheifele a 1st RD 2nd RD and Wheeler in a heartbeat. Bobby Ryan is that good of a hockey player.
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People very really caught up in the value of a first.
Ryan is easily worth a couple 1s. Even top 10 picks aren’t sure things. The Jets roster has a ton of examples.
Kane: 4th overall 2009
Burmi: 8th overall 2010
Antropov: 10th overall 1998
Wheeler: 5th overall 2004
Little: 12th overall 2006
Ladd: 4th overall 2004
Slater: 30th overall 2002
Stuart: 21st overall 2003
Hainsey: 13th overall 2000
Bogo: 3rd overall 2008
Now, what percentage of them are first line players, or top pair d men?
by truck on Dec 4, 2011 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
actually looking at it...
80% of those guys have played on the top line or top defensive pairing so far this year
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by canadian texan on Dec 6, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
some of them kind of worked in various combinations so long as Ladd wasn’t involved…kinda sorta
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by canadian texan on Dec 6, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
you're going to make me pull out the Phil Kessel card?
Tyler Seguin and Dougie hamilton….for Phil Kessel. A guy who had never scored more than 40 goals in a year for two players who look to be franchise players. Bobby Ryan is on a line with Getzlaf and Perry. His numbers will obviously be good. Bring him to a line with Kane and Little and his numbers drop and everyone goes “oh we got burned there”. We already have a top line LW for the foreseeable future. If Ryan played centre i’d be far more willing to accomodate such a trade, but this just doesn’t work in my books. And trading our top line winger, top prospect and 2 picks hurts in the fact that we don’t gain anything in the short term, which increases the value of the pick going to another team.
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by canadian texan on Dec 5, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
One trade is not every trade...
Lots of top picks flame out. Less than 50% of first round picks develop into starting calibre players. Less than 20% turn into all star calibre players.
One sure thing especially an all star caible player is easily worth two futures. …unless said team is sure to be selecting in the lottery picks.
FWIW, Ryan has beat out both Getz and Perry in terms of corsi. He is also the only one of those three who is coming off of back to back to back 30 goal seasons.
by truck on Dec 5, 2011 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...i'd still take Getzlaf over Ryan
It’s not so much just the picks i have a problem with, it’s the package of players that would go along with them.
His 5.1 million a year isn’t the friendliest of contracts either
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by canadian texan on Dec 5, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
droppin' knowledge
I’m pickin’ up what you’re putting down, man.
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