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The League of Extraordinary Statisticians: The Greatest Game

The League of Extraordinary Statisticians (LOES) is a weekly forum bringing together the top analytical minds in the hockey world to answer a variety of questions that straddle the line between stats analysis and something you might hear floating around section 304.  They have agreed to answer these questions in a few paragraphs or less, and with minimal formulae.  Because this is a forum, we'd encourage you to use the comments section to answer the questions yourselves, or to discuss or debate the answers given.

The LOES is not meant to represent the entire of the hockey stats community.  There are a number of people that either were too busy or too difficult to contact for the purposes of the forum.

Sometimes, it's the game that first hooked you as a little kid; other times it's that amazing matchup made all the more spectacular because you were there.  Maybe it was your first time in Madison Square Garden/the Montreal Forum/the Staples Center, or if you're really lucky the first time you watched the Stanley Cup Finals in-person.  It could happen because something a player did robbed you of the ability to speak, even for just a second.  It could even happen with your ass plunked on the couch, yelling at the screen and scaring the neighbors.  Either way, we all have that game we saw that was our favorite, the greatest to us, the one that sticks with us the same way we might remember our first crush.  Believe it or not, our LOES has not only watched a hockey game, but has also seen enough games to choose a few favorites.

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The idea behind the question is this: what would a group of statisticians, who analyze the game to its finest details, appreciate in a hockey game?  Do they simply view the game through apathetic eyes, waiting for the numbers to come in before deciding to get excited?  Or is it in these moments that we realize that they are hockey fans first, and that for as objective as they might be they are still consumed by the thrill of good hockey and greater personal or universal context?

The question for this week: What was the greatest hockey game that you ever saw? 

Note: It doesn't necessarily have to be in-person.

The greatest hockey game I ever saw on TV was Game 5 Rangers, Islanders, 1984.  It was end-to-end action, overtime, deciding game.  Anyone who's ever seen that game would be it in their top 5 for sure.

Best game live was Game 5, 1993 Cup-winning game.  I have no idea if it was a great game, but I know I never felt like that for any sports event. So, being there I think probably magnified whatever magic that game had.

- Tom Tango, tangotiger.net and author of The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball

I loved watching Mario Lemieux, so one choice would be the 1987 Canada Cup where he teamed up with Wayne Gretzky.  Everybody remembers the final game which featured the famous clip of the two of them scoring the series-winning goal (while Dale Hawerchuk interfered with a defenseman, and after which Larry Murphy got absolutely clobbered).
 
I remember his comeback to the NHL - I was on a family trip to Cuba and we somehow managed to find a place that had a satellite dish so we could all watch the game.  It was amazing that he was still so dominant, making the 2002 Olympic gold medal game vs the USA so thrilling to watch.  That's the game where he had the greatest goal-creating play on which a player received no credit with his no-look phantom bluff-shot.
 
The final Mario choice would be in the 1991 Stanley Cup Finals against Minnesota.  Everyone remembers his dramatic goal from Game 2, but I'd pick the clinching Game 6 where they destroyed the North Stars 8-0.  Note to Bettman: blow-outs can be entertaining too!
 
Of course there have been a lot of great games, played by a lot of great players, but for whatever reason the Mario classics are the ones that stick in my mind.  Force me to choose and I'll go with the 1987 Canada Cup.

- Rob Vollman, Hockey Prospectus

Greatest game I ever watched.  I think a great game is made by context.  A game with a lot on the line, where your team manages to win a well played, hard fought game.
 
I am a Vancouver Canuck fan.  That means that winning the big one is not something that has happened (yet).  I was given a Vancouver Canuck bottle opener for Christmas that "talks".  It has Jim Robson's call of the Canucks defeat of the Toronto Maple Leafs in the semi-finals in 1994 to go to the Stanley Cup finals.  Although that brings back fond memories, it is sad that the highlight of 40 years of Vancouver Canuck hockey is a semi-final victory.
 
The biggest game I ever watched was the 2010 Olympic gold medal game.  I think everyone knows the context.  Vancouver Olympics.  Canada vs. USA.  USA had beaten Canada earlier in the tournament.  That left Canada a tough path to the finals, but they got there.
 
USA tied the game with less than 30 seconds left to send it to overtime.  Sidney Crosby scores the gold medal winning goal in overtime.  That goal makes Crosby a legend.  It is now clear that even if his career were to go south (lets say he cannot recover fully from his current concussion), he will be remembered positively for that goal.  His goal is arguably the biggest goal in Canadian hockey history, right up there with Paul Henderson.
 
After the game ended, my phone would not stop ringing.  Everyone I knew had to call to celebrate the win with me.

- Greg Ballentine, The Puck Stops Here at Kukla's Korner

Wednesday, May 25, 1994. The Eastern Conference Finals, Game 6. Exit 16W off the New Jersey Turnpike, Brendan Byrne Arena. "Mark Messier's Guarantee". My New York Rangers against the New Jersey Devils. Messier, Adam Graves, Alex Kovalev, Steve Larmer, Esa Tikkanen, Brian Leetch, Sergei Zubov, Jeff Beukeboom, Mike Richter...and yes, Glenn Anderson and some other passengers.
 
After watching the Rangers dominance throughout the season, it was inexplicable to me that they were on the brink of elimination. The Devils looked like they might arrive a year early, with Jacques Lemaire's defensive system giving shape to a team led by the likes of Martin Brodeur, Scott Stevens, Ken Daneyko, Scott Niedermayer, Bill Guerin, John MacLean, Stephane Richer and Claude Lemieux. Yet not many folks remember that New York took the season series six games to none (and outscoring them 24-9). GM Neil Smith (cough!) was lauded for a bunch of truculent deadline acquisitions (especially after "Matteau! Matteau! Matteau!") but to me, the Blue Shirts traded speed and skill for ephemeral playoff toughness and a bit of Oilers magic past its expiration date (Notably, Mike Gartner and Tony Amonte were sent packing to acquire Anderson, Brian Noonan, Stephane Matteau and Craig MacTavish). I firmly believe that the Game 6 and Game 7 heroics would not have been needed if the Rangers kept their best lineup intact; the speed and skill would have made a difference against the Lemaire's defense.
 
With tickets at Madison Square Garden nearly impossible to get, I'd picked up a Devils' playoff ticket package during the second round of the playoffs, believing that both the Rangers and Devils would make the conference finals and that New York would prevail...hence, I believed I was buying 2-3 sets of Rangers playoff tickets. It worked out.
 
The Devils were really, really tough defensively and led 2-0. Scoring was starting to seem hopeless. Late in the second period, I wondered aloud to my girlfriend at what point we should pull the plug on the game, so that we didn't have to deal with Jersey fans celebrating a trip to the Finals around us. Incidentally, the competing chants in those days went "Nineteen-forty!" and "Nineteen-nothing!", among the divided crowd. My, how things have changed.
 
Messier's guarantee is what's remembered of the game, but it was an Alex Kovalev laser beam that broke the ice late in the second. Finally, Brodeur and the Devils' D wasn't impenetrable anymore. Interestingly, only three Rangers registered points that game: Messier, Leetch and Kovalev. And I won't lie: that game was exhilaration.
 
It's funny--I flew to Finland and Sweden for vacation before Game 7. After Game 6, I knew the Rangers would win, and I never have watched a minute of the "'Matteau!' Game".

- Timo Seppa, Hockey Prospectus

 

This is a really tough question.  Any number of games come to mind, but I'll go with two. Perhaps the best game I ever watched on television was Game 6 of the 2008 Western Conference Semifinal between Dallas and San Jose. I had just set up my first HDTV that night, and this was the first game I saw in HD. The four overtime thriller, with Nabokov and Turco making save after save was phenomenal. The second game was the final game of the season last year for the Flyers, where their playoff hopes depended. I attended thanks to a commenter at BSH (thanks again beatniche) and proceeded to watch the Flyers rally from an early 1-0 deficit to tie the game before going to a shootout. The atmosphere inside was one that could hardly be described. There was frustration, hope, anxiety, fear, and more. There's just something about elimination games in hockey that make them that much better.

- Geoff Detweiler, Broad Street Hockey

I can't pinpoint one game, but the Pond Hockey Championships in Minnesota are simply awesome. I can watch/play hockey like that all day.

- Corey Pronman, Hockey Prospectus

All-Time Best Games in Person:

1) April 12, 1986.  Calgary at Winnipeg.  A lot of snow in Winnipeg
 kept attendance at just 8,123 on a Saturday night.  Jets GM John Ferguson had fired his head coach late in the season and taken over
coaching duties.  Fed up with his goaltending, he called up 20-year-old, 155-lb Daniel Berthiaume from the QMJHL and started him against the Flames in the 3rd game of their best-of-five series, facing elimination.  Every time the Flames scored, the Jets responded, and they almost went ahead on a Dale Hawerchuk shot that went off both posts.  The game went into overtime and Lanny McDonald ultimately put the Jets away.  One only wonders how the Jets would have done with Randy Carlyle (out with a back injury following a fight in the dressing room) and Dave Babych (spitefully traded away by Ferguson.)

2) February 24, 2010.  Russia vs Canada at Hockey Place in Vancouver. Canada's 7-3 win looks a bit anti-climactic in retrospect, but this was an early matchup between the #1 and #2 teams in the tournament and the result was very much in doubt.  Canada come out on fire and I don't think I've ever seen a crowd as excited as that one.

All-Time Best Game on TV:

No question: February 28, 2010.  United States vs Canada in Vancouver.  And February 24, 2002, United States vs Canada in Utah.  A friend of mine described the first as the best day of his life, his wedding day included.  And the second was a deeply-satisfying and exciting win that silenced all of the chants of "U-S-A" in the bar where I was watching the game.

- Gabe Desjardins, behindthenet.ca and, of course, Behind the Net

Like any favorite sport, hockey is never far away from the kid that was drawn to it or the adult that discovers it for the first time.  They can talk about it, break it down, turn actions into numbers and make those numbers into simulations, analysis, and predictions, but at the end of the day our LOES is a group of hockey fans that would just as soon watch the game over a beer as they would over a stat counter.

This particular forum is less a discussion than a celebration.  Share with us the greatest game you ever saw in the comments below.  I'll chip in my two cents in a later post.

P.S. LOES will be taking a one-week All-Star Game hiatus before returning in February.  Enjoy the game!

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1) March 26, 1997 – Claude Lemieux returns to Detroit for the first time since the 1996 Western Conference Finals, and gets pummeled by Darren McCarty at center ice. The game itself was pretty incredible, too, with McCarty netting an overtime winner.

2) Game 4, 1997 Stanley Cup Finals – getting to see the Cup raised in Detroit for the first time since 1955.

3) Game 2, 1998 Stanley Cup Finals – Wings come back from two-goal deficit to win in OT, Esa Tikanen dekes Chris Osgood but misses the net with his backhander which could’ve made the difference.

4) 2008 playoffs, Game 3, Detroit @ Nashville – the Preds come from behind with 2 goals in 9 seconds to end Hasek’s NHL career. Radulov concusses Arnott during the celebration, though.

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by Dirk Hoag on Jan 25, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

The best game I’ve ever seen live, without question, was the WJHC Final last year in Saskatoon, with the USA winning 6-5 in OT. That was an incredible experience, even with the disappointment in the crowd after the game. The explosion in the building when Eberle tied the game was, to put it in the best term possible, bonkers.

Best games I’ve watched on TV were: 2010 Olympic Final, 1993 Stanley Cup Final Game 2. Tom, I don’t doubt Game 5 of the SCF was incredible to be at, but that game was just one big coronation and really is not all that interesting for the hockey played. Game 2 was the real deal: Habs down 2-1 with under 2 minutes to play, not cracking the Kings offensive zone consistently, and Demers calls for a stick measurement on McSorley. If McSorley has switched to a legal stick (like any reasonable person would), the series is 2-0 LA and heading to the other Forum for the next two games. McSorley hasn’t switched sticks, and to me this is the most notable and damaging stick incident in his playing career. Desjardins scores on a 6 on 4 advantage to tie the game, and then in the first couple minutes of OT, scores again. I believe he’s the only defenseman to ever score a hat trick in the SC Finals, and he did it by scoring the tying and winning goals and to me, that ultimately won the Cup for Montreal. Two more OT winners in LA by John LeClair give the Habs a 3-1 lead and that Game 5 game was set up just to crown them Champions. Game 2 was the real prize.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 25, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I love WJC hockey too. I didn’t see Canada-USA live, but I’ve seen replays. I love it of course because our very own John Carlson scored (with Della Rovere, now a Blue, on the other side), but that back and forth action is the way hockey is supposed to be played.

I didn’t catch all of USA-Canada in Vancouver (only turned it on with USA down 2-0, just before Kesler’s goal), but that was fantastic too. I wasn’t liking the 4on4 OT in either one though…I like 5on5.

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by red army line on Jan 25, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

In the IIHF rules, I’ll take the 4 on 4. Because the IIHF believes that a shootout should be used to determine the gold medal winner if the game is tied after a full OT period.

I do hope the NHL never goes to 4 on 4 or a shootout for the playoffs… having marathon overtimes is part of the NHL playoffs mystique. I can fully understand why a tightly scheduled tournament would resort to 4 on 4 and the shootout, though it’s not ideal.

There have rarely been shootouts in the gold medal games, however (Lillehammer 1994 being the notable exception). Most of the shootouts occur in the preceding rounds, when 4 on 4 OT only lasts 10 minutes.

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by Bruce Peter on Jan 25, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Game 2 was the real deal

I was actually at that game as well. It was great and exciting. But, a coronation game is simply magnified, and obfuscates whatever “really” happened to leave me with whatever feelings I actually had.

by tangotiger on Jan 25, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

May 4, 2007 Sabres vs. Rangers, Game 5

Each game of the series at least one of the goaltenders was under siege, this game was Henrik Lundqvist’s turn. However, even after firing 17 shots at him in the second period, the score remained tied at zero late in the third when Martin Straka broke in on a partial 2 on 1 (there was a second man back but he was not in good position) and fires a long-range snap shot over a surprised Miller (who appeared think he would pass to Shannahan) This made the score to be 1-0 Rangers with 3:20 left. Of course then the Sabres fritter away three more minutes and get down to a faceoff in the Rangers zone with 20 seconds or so left.(That’s what always happened in this series) After a faceoff scrum, Danius Zubrus wins a board battle, flings the puck around the boards to Tim Connolly, who takes a slap shot from the circle (Man those guys were close in!) As was common in the final minute, there were about 8 people in the crease, but somehow Briere deflects the puck to a waiting Chris Drury, who immidiatly fires it through Vanek’s legs, past both defensemen covering the post and a prone Lundqvist, tying the game.

But no, the drama wasn’t over yet. Right at the beginning of overtime, Drury takes a really dumb hooking penalty, and the Rangers pour on the pressure again, but Miller manages to hold on (barely). Shortly thereafter, Game 3 scapegoat Maxim Afinogenov blows past the Rangers defense and draws a hooking penalty. This sets him up to redeem himself by scoring the overtime winner and one of the cooler overtime goal celebrations i’ve seen. There was a reason the fans started calling that team the “Heart attack kids.”

Want to know why Glen Sather gave Chris Drury way too much money? Watch this series.

Also, save percentages for the first 5 games of that series:
Lundqvist: .932
Miller: .945
Wow.

I watched a number of good games in the 90s but i don’t remember them very well.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 25, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Want to know why Glen Sather gave Chris Drury way too much money? Watch this series.

No kidding. Combine that game, Drury’s ridiculously overblown reputation (he’s a winner! he pitched a little league game!!) and Sather’s willingness to overspend…and you’ve got a nice little disaster for NYR fans.

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by poploser on Jan 25, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Timo said:

Messier’s guarantee is what’s remembered of the game, but it was an Alex Kovalev laser beam that broke the ice late in the second. Finally, Brodeur and the Devils’ D wasn’t impenetrable anymore. Interestingly, only three Rangers registered points that game: Messier, Leetch and Kovalev. And I won’t lie: that game was exhilaration.

Lost in all the Messier hype is how outstanding Kovalev was in those playoffs. People forget that for a large part of the playoffs, Kovalev was actually centering the 2nd line with Matteau (and usually Larmer) – a position he didn’t play – and succeeding at it. In Game 6, the NYR weren’t accomplishing much, and in fact were being held in the Game by Richter. What changed was Mike Keenan mixing his lines up and putting Kovalev on the wing with Messier and Graves mid-way through the 2nd period. And watch Kovalev’s goal (seen at 2:45 here) – he has the presence of mind to hold his shot…move closer, and wait for some more traffic). Brilliant.

Overall, it would be hard to pick a game more emotional than that Game 7 of the NYR-Devils series. Sure, Game 7 of the Finals over Vancouver is more satisfying, but the Rangers never trailed in that game, and only were really pressured in the last 10 minutes. The Game 7 of the Devils series however, just felt more tension-filled. And it had the ups-and-downs of the NYR leading, Zelepukin (perfect name for the reaction he caused in NYR fans) scoring with 7.7 seconds left…and then the Rangers basically dominating play in the 1st OT…only to see Bill Guerin just miss on a wraparound in the 1st OT. So the relief when Matteau scored was just unforgettable. I still put that playoff series up against any ever played for “best all time” honors.

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by poploser on Jan 25, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Love the comments so far, everyone. There certainly isn’t a dearth of Rangers games to reminisce about…

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by Bettman's Nightmare on Jan 25, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

I am in the same boat as Gabe and Paul. Crosby’s goal is going to be the same as Henderson’s for my generation.
Close second would be the 2009 WJC Semi Final between Canada and Russia. I get goosebumps whenever Eberle’s goal gets brought up. On a related note, I still can’t believe Pierre McGuire ruined Gord Miller’s call on that. What an idiot.

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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 25, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

Perhaps not the greatest game, but one of the greatest moments from my youth was watching Nik Borschevsky score in overtime of Game #7 in the first round of 1993 against Detroit. Finally! A Leafs team that could win something! Say… anyone know where Nik is these days?

Another that sticks out was Sweden’s shootout win for the gold medal in Lillehammer. Pretty crushing defeat. I remember dragging my kid sister out to the driveway for weeks after, dressing her in goalie gear and re-creating that shootout in my mind… Kariya scoring of course.

by Ricci Handsome on Jan 25, 2011 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

Way too many ranger fans.

Alas, I was born 7 years too late to experience any of the four cups.

by garik16 on Jan 26, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

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