The Education of Cam Ward
Drafting goaltenders in the 1st round has been hazardous territory, particularly in the 2000s, and I think some of this is a reflection of great expectations versus goalie growth curves, which suggest that goalies peak a bit later than skaters. It's also a function of bad luck, as a high number of 1st round goalies have had significant injury problems.
If you looked at Cam Ward's wins total or goals-against average over the years, you'd see a goalie that can't seem to be consistent. If you looked into the splits of his save percentage, you'd swear you were seeing the emergence of an elite goaltender. He's closer to the latter than the former, but I think Ward gives us an opportunity to address a couple of key questions, including a.) Is Ward the ideal leaning curve for a 1st round goalie and b.) At what point do we consider a goalie "elite"?
As most of us will agree, it's pretty out-there to expect that a 1st round goalie will jump into the fire and play like an HOF'er early on. Yet nearly every generation we have a story of a goalie that does just that, and I think there has been some ambivalence about Cam Ward because he hasn't followed his Conn Smythe with the kinds of numbers we saw out of Esposito, Dryden, or Roy.
That being said, I'd like to appreciate what appears to be a pretty impressive development (considering the fluctuating Hurricanes' fortunes):
Year Even Strength SV% Rank Among Goalies w/40+ Starts
2006-07 89.9 18th
2007-08 91.7 Tied - 14th
2008-09 92.6 Tied - 7th
2009-10 92.4 Tied - 8th
You'll notice I'm ranking him among goalies with 40 or more starts. What I'm trying to do there is kind of a play on Tom Awad's excellent series on "good players" by applying it to goalies (not on his suggestion, by the way, so it's a matter of debate whether it's right to do). In general, I'm assuming that a good initial barometer for comparing good goalies is by taking the goalies that are getting relatively consistent playing time. I end up with a grouping with about 30 goaltenders, with the bottom being a mediocre handful of goalies but the overall average save percentage holding across 4 years at 92.1%.
Of course, this year's impressive start isn't sustainable, but it's worth noting as well. Should he be able to finish the year at around 92.5 ESV% (and 8th or above in rank in the category), we have to start thinking about when we can officially say that Ward is either a.) a good goaltender, or b.) one of the best goaltenders. Before you start hating on the "one of the best" designation, I'll point out that the only goalies over the last 4 years to have 3 seasons of 40+ starts and an ESV% in the top 8 are Tomas Vokoun, Ryan Miller, Martin Brodeur, and Roberto Luongo.*
Weighing the expectations with the outcome, I think Ward is very close to the ideal learning curve for a 1st round goalie. And I also think he's very close to being what I'd call "elite".
*Kari Lehtonen was very close, by the way, to being a part of that list as well. He had 6th, 8th, and 9th place finishes from 2006-07 to 2008-09.
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Huh.
Where are you getting your numbers? As far as I can tell Cam Ward ranked tied for 14th last year, based on NHL.com.
He’s tied for the 8th best even-strength SV%. Same source.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of it is rounding to the tenth, which hurts him on some years, helps him on others. It also collapses the rankings a bit. But I am using nhl.com data, all even-strength situations. Another thing is semantics, as I’m ranking by the percentage, not by the number of players who have it. What I’m trying to suggest is a bit more of a comparative approach to answering the question “Is Cam Ward elite?” What I said still stands that Luongo, Brodeur, Miller, and Brodeur are the only goalies to finish 3 of 4 years in such a position or higher. And should Cam Ward do it, he’d join Luongo and Vokoun as the only ones in the past 5 years to do it 3 years in a row. I put the poll up there to see if that’s enough, and it’s basically split right now, so I think this is an idea (“elite goaltender”) that should be discussed a bit more.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of it is rounding to the tenth, which hurts him on some years, helps him on others.
How are you rounding? I must be looking at the wrong stats on NHL.com or something as your results seem quite different for last season that what I see.
For 2009-2010, I have the following for even strength save percentage if you round to the 10th.
1 Rounding up to .94: Vokoun.
1 Rounding down to .93: Halak
8 Rounding up to .93: Hiller, Lundqvist, Miller, Nabakov, Kiprusoff, Bryzgalov, Anderson, and Turco.
That puts Ward tied for 11th. It also indicates that Ward has been top 10 in EV Save percentage during one of the past 4 seasons.
Another thing is semantics, as I’m ranking by the percentage, not by the number of players who have it.
Can you explain this a bit further? By ranking by the percentage to the 10th, wouldn’t that put Ward 3rd last season per the results above?
I’m sorry, those were rounded to the nearest hundredth that I did. Doesn’t everyone tie for first if you round to the nearest tenth (at 90%)?
You’re right, I meant hundredth. Eesh.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Or thousandth. Double eesh.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
For your second question, see the reply to Quain below.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Player GS Sv%
1 Tomas Vokoun 62 0.937
2 Jaroslav Halak 43 0.933
3 Jonas Hiller 58 0.930
4 Henrik Lundqvist 72 0.929
5 Ryan Miller 68 0.928
6 Evgeni Nabokov 71 0.928
7 Miikka Kiprusoff 72 0.928
8 Ilya Bryzgalov 69 0.928
9 Craig Anderson 71 0.926
10 Marty Turco 52 0.926
11 Roberto Luongo 67 0.925
12 Jimmy Howard 61 0.925
13 Pekka Rinne 54 0.925
14 Martin Brodeur 76 0.924
15 Cam Ward 45 0.924
Formatting doesn’t copy well, but he’s 14th – 16th depending on how you want to rank him in the 0.924 group (Theodore isn’t included, but rates in that same SV%).
I’m ranking by the percentage, not by the number of people. .937, .933, .930, .929, .928, .926, .925, .924 puts his as the 8th best save percentage on that list. The performance is based on the number itself, not on the number of people on the list.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So, if say Mikka Kiprusoff had had .927 instead of .928, Cam Ward and Marty Brodeur would have been bumped off the list?
Yes, but then I’d also be talking about finishing with the 9th or better performance, and the number of people who’d accomplished it would be the same.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
…and when I say “accomplished it,” I mean finished 9th or better at least 3 out of the last 4 seasons.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Your ranking doesn’t make very much sense. Ward could have had the exact same performance, but if the 13 goalies ahead of him spread their save percentage differently, he’d be 14th rather than 8th.
Even assuming two performances rounded at the thousandth are equal, there are still 13 goaltenders who peformed better than Ward in that list, leaving him tied for the 14th best performance — not the 8th best performance as you’re stating.
by MathMan on Oct 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It depends on whether or not you consider .001 to be a substantive difference of goaltender’s performance across 40-70 games. If not, rounding to the thousandth isn’t a big deal, and won’t mask a glaring difference in season performance between someone who had a .9245 and a .9254 even-strength save percentage.
You’re right about the problem of assuming of those performances rounded to the thousandth are equal. One of the things I hadn’t included was quality of teammates, in which case Cam Ward was at a distinct disadvantage compared to everyone at or above his rank last year except Vokoun, Lundqvist, Kiprusoff, and maybe Anderson.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t emphasized the crux of my point enough.
It doesn’t matter if you treat scores within .001 as ties or not. The problem with your classification is that it doesn’t classify against the salient question for the analysis: “How many goaltenders have had a better performance that year?”
In 09-10, that was 13. In 08-09, it was 8, In 07-08, it was 21. By counting all the ties ahead of Ward as one, you’re tying your “ranking” on the distribution on save percentages across the league. If they’re clustered together he’ll end up with a better ranking than if they were spread out… even though it implies no change in his performance and no improvement relative to the other goaltenders either.
Your analysis isn’t bad, and you’re defintely targeting the right stat, IMO. But maybe something a top-15 ES save percentage among 40+ game starters each year would be a better benchmark; that would be less dependent on the random vargraries of distribution. Whether that reaches into “elite” territory however, would be open for debate.
Fair points, and I’ll leave it at that. One thing that has struck me is the fairly narrow spread…at which point I came across an article by Tom Awad looking at even-strength SV% this spring, where luck causes great variance from one year to the next. It’s worth a read.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Oct 24, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions

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